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25 Nov 2012, 8:50 pm

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A blatant falsehood. Keeping the seven laws of Noah gives one a seat in the bleachers in the hereafter. The very observant get box seats.

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26 Nov 2012, 12:52 pm

It annoys me no end when people screw up nested quotes so that it appears I said something I didn't.

I believe this is what your post should have looked like:

Seabass wrote:
bigwheel wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
AJ89 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I find universal reconciliation to be interesting. It means that all people will eventually go to heaven regardless of whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ. Sinners will go to hell but not for eternity.

Universal reconciliation was believed in by the majority of Christians during the period of early Christianity.

Doesn't this sound more plausible than an eternal hell?

Yes, but I prefer what many near-death-experiencers (NDEs) have reported, that the only judgment that takes place is that of the deceased judging themselves after a life review.


have you ever noticed that people who have NDE's never seem to bring back accounts of 'hell'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM

Also, the theology generally isn't that God is damning people, but that God has to actively save people, and he can't do that if they have not asked to be saved. Everyone needs to be saved because some people who never existed ate a fruit that they weren't allowed to eat. Of course, that also makes very little sense.

The theology of Bible Believing Christians runs something like this. We are all damned extending back to the failure in Eden and to our own propensity to fail to properly observe God's Written Ordinances. So he sends us a Life Preserver in the form of Jesus Christ. For them who are smart enough to grab hold of Jesus they will be moved from enemies of God to being Beloved Children and younger siblings of Christ. It's indescribably delicious..to coin a phrase..lol.

Smart enough? Are you condescending enough?



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26 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm

If the rich capitalists want to live forever they have to give all their money to the poor.



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26 Nov 2012, 2:05 pm

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If the rich capitalists want to live forever they have to give all their money to the poor.

I wasn't aware that donations to the poor could cause a person to transcend the Hayflick Limit... or cause one to mutate into a jellyfish.



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26 Nov 2012, 2:10 pm

AJ89 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I find universal reconciliation to be interesting. It means that all people will eventually go to heaven regardless of whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ. Sinners will go to hell but not for eternity.

Universal reconciliation was believed in by the majority of Christians during the period of early Christianity.

Doesn't this sound more plausible than an eternal hell?


This sounds a lot like the Jewish belief system.

All people who abide by the 7 noahide laws will receive a place in the world to come. Sinners go to "hell" but only for a fixed period of time to be purified of their sins. Only the most abhorable and unrepentent souls are destroyed.



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26 Nov 2012, 3:25 pm

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If the rich capitalists want to live forever they have to give all their money to the poor.


Orrrr, crony capitalists, through underhanded means, could gain control of the world and in a way "live forever".



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26 Nov 2012, 3:27 pm

With the cooperation of large, tyrannical governments, of course.

(Oh, and sorry 'bout that Spirit Blooms)



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26 Nov 2012, 4:04 pm

Seabass wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If the rich capitalists want to live forever they have to give all their money to the poor.


Orrrr, crony capitalists, through underhanded means, could gain control of the world and in a way "live forever".


We all die, sooner or later.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:06 pm

Seabass wrote:
bigwheel wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
AJ89 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I find universal reconciliation to be interesting. It means that all people will eventually go to heaven regardless of whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ. Sinners will go to hell but not for eternity.

Also, the theology generally isn't that God is damning people, but that God has to actively save people, and he can't do that if they have not asked to be saved. Everyone needs to be saved because some people who never existed ate a fruit that they weren't allowed to eat. Of course, that also makes very little sense.


The theology of Bible Believing Christians runs something like this. We are all damned extending back to the failure in Eden and to our own propensity to fail to properly observe God's Written Ordinances. So he sends us a Life Preserver in the form of Jesus Christ. For them who are smart enough to grab hold of Jesus they will be moved from enemies of God to being Beloved Children and younger siblings of Christ. It's indescribably delicious..to coin a phrase..lol.


Smart enough? Are you condescending enough?


Are you making a personal verbal attack and violating the TOS?



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26 Nov 2012, 4:14 pm

slave wrote:
Seabass wrote:
bigwheel wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
AJ89 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I find universal reconciliation to be interesting. It means that all people will eventually go to heaven regardless of whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ. Sinners will go to hell but not for eternity.

Also, the theology generally isn't that God is damning people, but that God has to actively save people, and he can't do that if they have not asked to be saved. Everyone needs to be saved because some people who never existed ate a fruit that they weren't allowed to eat. Of course, that also makes very little sense.


The theology of Bible Believing Christians runs something like this. We are all damned extending back to the failure in Eden and to our own propensity to fail to properly observe God's Written Ordinances. So he sends us a Life Preserver in the form of Jesus Christ. For them who are smart enough to grab hold of Jesus they will be moved from enemies of God to being Beloved Children and younger siblings of Christ. It's indescribably delicious..to coin a phrase..lol.


Smart enough? Are you condescending enough?


Are you making a personal verbal attack and violating the TOS?


I don't know, am I?