do we REALLY think Syria will use Chemical weapons
I agree with this, with a hedge bet on "maybe they are that stupid/crazy."
You use it against massed forces on a battlefield and when you can be certain the winds are favourable and that your troops have means of protection. Otherwise, you're killing your own supporters as well as opponents.
Or at long range when civilian casualties are a non-issue.
If they're certain that village X is completely made up of regime opponents I suppose that they might consider it, but it would be useless unless there really are guerrillas holed up in there. In the end, it's senseless for the government to make enemies of all Sunnis, for example, by essentially targeting Sunni villages in that way. They need some Sunni support, after all, to stay in business. Mass atrocities against people because they are Sunni is a perfect way to anger and alienate those Sunnis still on side.
I agree with this, with a hedge bet on "maybe they are that stupid/crazy."
You use it against massed forces on a battlefield and when you can be certain the winds are favourable and that your troops have means of protection. Otherwise, you're killing your own supporters as well as opponents.
Or at long range when civilian casualties are a non-issue.
If they're certain that village X is completely made up of regime opponents I suppose that they might consider it, but it would be useless unless there really are guerrillas holed up in there. In the end, it's senseless for the government to make enemies of all Sunnis, for example, by essentially targeting Sunni villages in that way. They need some Sunni support, after all, to stay in business. Mass atrocities against people because they are Sunni is a perfect way to anger and alienate those Sunnis still on side.
You're making one very big error in judgement here.
You're assuming the person in control of the chemical weapons is sane and stable, as well as intelligent and logical enough to realise the truths in your statements. Sanity and stability is not something I would assume in Assad.
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Don't believe the propaganda. Remember the lies we were told about Iraq. Assad is not stupid nor is he crazy, using chemical weapons would be signing his own execution order. Remember Assad was a guy we called a reformer not long before these protests/insurgencies started popping up, The same with Gaddafi before we stuck a knife in his back. Assad isn't going to use chemical weapons, he's putting them on the table to stop inevitable foreign invasion.
Assad is a bad man but so are the terrorists he's fighting against, stay the hell out. There are no good guys.
They're preparing a 100,000 strong invasion force to occupy Syria
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Assad is a bad man but so are the terrorists he's fighting against, stay the hell out. There are no good guys.
The difference with Iraq is that they not saying they would use force if he had weapons and providing flimsy intelligence to that effect despite denial (and Syria doesn't deny it), only if he used them (proof would be really hard to dispute).
What would you say if he did use them and there was proof?
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It depends how full a deck Assad is playing with. I agree with most people that if he's even remotely sane he'll saber-rattle at most but never use it.
The thing that's really sad however is that everyone's letting this thing prolong because they're afraid of how many of those fighting the regime are Al Qaeda trying to take control; as if they're hoping that all the cukes will kill each other - meanwhile 100x that in civilians die in the process. Really sad state of affairs ![]()
Nothing about where this inside info comes from.
What would be the target? What is being defended?
Patroit batterys are being deployed on the Turk border, because mortors have fallen in Turkey? What? They are an anti missle defense, where there have been none.
The terrorist bases in Turkey are a ligitamate target, where Americans hand out weapons supplied by Saudis.
Sryia turned over to the UN names, pictures, IDs of several hundred non Sryians they killed in battle. Someone is arming them, sending them in, and there are laws about that.
American backed terrorists started this, it is public knowledge how and from where, the terror training camps are in Turkey.
Now there is a sudden rush to give them a missile defense?
Assad has lost and has to leave has been said every month for two years, but he still holds the cities, and the support of the people.
Democrats demand the Idiot vote, for more than half are idiots.
Who is going to vote for non Sryian hired fighters?
Major point, the Russians are not packing up at their navel base.
The big bad Turks are crying to their boy friends in NATO.
So who is funding this death? Who supplies the weapons, fighters, payroll, and is not NATO. Also who is close enough to respond to? Saudis.
Does Sryia have the means? Yes, missiles, chemical weapons, and a cause, you made war on our cities. There are not a lot of Saudis, they have few cities, and would not last a day.
Who else would join in? Iran?
Who could defend? No one, the Persian Gulf can be closed, so what can be done, bomb Sryia? It is already happening. With 4 four out of five Sunni, it would be bombing the people we claim to be supporting.
Also, Sryia does have a good air defense, as does Iran, and the Russian Base at Taurus, which has a right to self defense.
Shia Islam, is Iran, Iraq, Sryia, Bahrain, and is supported by the Russians and Chinese.
Invade Sryia? Who, NATO? The Turks? and for what cause, not defending the Christians, Sryia and Russia do that. Atomic War?
Taking out the Saudis, world oil production is Iran, Iraq, Russia,
So much for a cheap off the books war, that is not going well.
The terrorist are posting Utubes of gunning down captured troops, the leading fighters have been put on a terror watch list, it is like Bosnia, but on video, war crimes trials, the movie!
Terrorist are fighting terrorists for the last man standing wins. None of them are calling for an election.
The cities are secure, the suburbs are the last stand of terrorists, and more are being killed than are coming in. They are also getting their suporters killed. Their supply lines have been cut, the government controls the food supply, which is ample in government protected places.
The Army has shed deserters, those left are fighting for their country, and have seen the videos of their captured friends being shot. They have learned urban warfare, and how to isolate terror cells.
They secured the cities, and are clearing the edges of terrorists and their supporters. They know if they lose they will be killed, as will their families, so they will win, or die trying.
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Assad might really be desperate enough to do it. The Mossad is concerned enough that Israel is considering getting mixed up in it. Personally I think we need to learn our lessons from Egypt and Libya and make Assad an offer to keep him in power that would make him our puppet. It would be better than leaving another power vacuum that militant fundamentalists would end up filling.
All these dictators I keep defending are all a royal POS, but they are a far lesser evil than the terrorists that take their place.
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[quote="Inventor"]Nothing about where this inside info comes from.
What would be the target? What is being defended?
Patroit batterys are being deployed on the Turk border, because mortors have fallen in Turkey? What? They are an anti missle defense, where there have been none.
The terrorist bases in Turkey are a ligitamate target, where Americans hand out weapons supplied by Saudis.
Sryia turned over to the UN names, pictures, IDs of several hundred non Sryians they killed in battle. Someone is arming them, sending them in, and there are laws about that.
American backed terrorists started this, it is public knowledge how and from where, the terror training camps are in Turkey.
Now there is a sudden rush to give them a missile defense?
Assad has lost and has to leave has been said every month for two years, but he still holds the cities, and the support of the people.
Democrats demand the Idiot vote, for more than half are idiots.
Who is going to vote for non Sryian hired fighters?
Major point, the Russians are not packing up at their navel base.
The big bad Turks are crying to their boy friends in NATO.
So who is funding this death? Who supplies the weapons, fighters, payroll, and is not NATO. Also who is close enough to respond to? Saudis.
Does Sryia have the means? Yes, missiles, chemical weapons, and a cause, you made war on our cities. There are not a lot of Saudis, they have few cities, and would not last a day.
Who else would join in? Iran?
Who could defend? No one, the Persian Gulf can be closed, so what can be done, bomb Sryia? It is already happening. With 4 four out of five Sunni, it would be bombing the people we claim to be supporting.
Also, Sryia does have a good air defense, as does Iran, and the Russian Base at Taurus, which has a right to self defense.
Shia Islam, is Iran, Iraq, Sryia, Bahrain, and is supported by the Russians and Chinese.
Invade Sryia? Who, NATO? The Turks? and for what cause, not defending the Christians, Sryia and Russia do that. Atomic War?
Taking out the Saudis, world oil production is Iran, Iraq, Russia,
So much for a cheap off the books war, that is not going well.
The terrorist are posting Utubes of gunning down captured troops, the leading fighters have been put on a terror watch list, it is like Bosnia, but on video, war crimes trials, the movie!
Terrorist are fighting terrorists for the last man standing wins. None of them are calling for an election.
The cities are secure, the suburbs are the last stand of terrorists, and more are being killed than are coming in. They are also getting their suporters killed. Their supply lines have been cut, the government controls the food supply, which is ample in government protected places.
The Army has shed deserters, those left are fighting for their country, and have seen the videos of their captured friends being shot. They have learned urban warfare, and how to isolate terror cells.
They secured the cities, and are clearing the edges of terrorists and their supporters. They know if they lose they will be killed, as will their families, so they will win, or die trying.[/quote
great danger, ahead I see.
Like a lot of you said, it just doesn't seem to make sense to use chemical weapons at this point, everyone is watching....China and Russia would be under scrutiny as well..... I guess if Assad is on the way out, he already has his home in Venezuela picked out, maybe it's a last ditch effort? I can see Iran with a nuclear missile throwing its weight around, or more likely smuggle some nuclear material into the west and have some idiot strap it to his chest....
In terms of why Obama would be bullshitting us, I could see him being a coward and coming out strong on something knowing that he'll never have to back his words up. They know Assad won't use chemical weapons so it's safe to come out strong with big words. I'm not saying this is true, I always wonder why the white house hands out certain press releases, I'm pretty sure American media found out about chemical weapons from recent press releases by the white house, which are then followed by Obama and Hillary Clinton making strong statements warning Syria.....or maybe that's just politics in general.
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