'Right to work' kills, those who pass such are murderers

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State workers and their unions ...


It happened to me. Tell someone in a union-controlled business that your religious convictions brings your union membership into question, and you'll soon find yourself having to explain your religious convictions in very great detail to some very big and hostile union co-workers. Very soon after that, you'll likely find yourself the recipient of so many trivial grievances that it would be easier to look for another job than to fight each one.


Either join the union without complaint or question, or find employment elsewhere -- that's the unionist "Take it or leave it" line.


The only difference is that with a union, your pay may be greater, but much of that greater pay is lost to "voluntary" donations and membership dues.

Working as an exempt employee in a union shop was like working in Bahrain -- the people there tolerated me as long as I was a good and quiet little worker, but when it became known that my beliefs differed from theirs, I was invited to leave by some very angry co-workers.

The Bahrain employer simply didn't renew my work visa; the people of Islam were much nicer about it than the American union people.

Unionism == Secular Religion

I don't think teachers who make up the bulk of the whiners are facing any particularly new work hazards. There is nothing stopping people from joining unions, they can pay dues if they wish. Why would you want someone to be apart of the union if they do not wish to be? Money. Money to pay the fat cat union leadership who are pushing an ideological agenda that is not their own. Maybe if unions actually represented their workers, then maybe they would be so petrified of losing their dues now that workers actually have a choice. If workplace safety is a pressing issue then it is in the workers self interest to fix that. Public sector unions don't live in reality, they live in a world of unlimited borrowing and debt without the immediate risk of their employer going out of business. Even FDR thought public employee unions were intolerable.

^This. Money for the Fat Cat union leaders; money for their political cronies; money for the criminal element that enforces union policy...

Right-wingers don't seem to get that we can all agree that life isn't fair. Mother nature is a rotten b***h. It has things like hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunami's, floods, plagues, blights, infectious diseases, cancer, birth defects, etc... This doesn't mean human society should seek to one-up mother nature by succumbing to wholly preventable human-induced injustice. It seems like people on the right are serious victims of Stockholm Syndrome. They are terrified of the wrath of the almighty Job Creators who will ship more and more jobs overseas unless we all fall on our knees and acquiesce to lower and lower wages. Nevermind that heavily unionized German workers have been able to keep a trade surplus in their country. With the right-wing rhetoric you'd think Germans must be accepting penny wages to compete with the third world sweat-shops.

The Germans are doing something right. Maybe we should study what it is a learn something we can use.

ruveyn

One word - leverage. If all the workers are united, they can all strike together, which gives them leverage. If some fraction of the workforce is not, or if the employer is allowed to hire people outside of the union, then some or all of that leverage is gone.

Forced conscription: If you want it for the unions, then you should want it for the military, as well.

Really the right-wing hypocrisy on the topic of unions is sickening.

If a bunch of people want to get together and maximize their leverage by forming a union to try and get a better deal for themselves at the expense of their employer, they think its outrageous, un-American, and depending on which right-winger you ask, socialist, communist, or facist.

On the other hand, if a bunch of people want to get together and maximize their leverage by forming a corporation and get a better deal for themselves at the expense of their employees, they think its wonderful, as American as apple pie and a blessing from our wonderous free market system.

Forced conscription might actually be a good idea. It might make certain wealthy elites of the Republican Party more hesitant to put soldiers in harms way if their own sons and daughters are at risk of being drafted to fight on the front lines. It's more fair that way.

Germany is not America and Germans are not Americans. Do you think the tiered educational system of Germany would ever be accepted in America? It wouldn't be described as anything less than racism on the level of Jim Crow. German made products benefit from being German made products which have long had a reputation of quality which buyers will premium for.

In the end tho, they're going to be just as screwed as we are and probably sooner. What do you think will happen to the German economy when the poop hits the fan in Europe? They have the lowest birthrate in the world, what do you think will be the ultimate fate of their welfare state?

And how does right to work restrict this right to form a union? If the workers feel they benefit from the union then why wouldn't they voluntarily pay their union dues? A better deal for themselves at the expense of their employer, that's an interesting way of phrasing it. I assume you support public employee unions, who is their employer?

forced conscription = slavery

Countries like Germany have better unions because there isn't such a hostile combative relationship between labor and management. They seem to have a more cooperative culture. Workers are expected to pull their own weight but excessive avarice and exploitative inequality is also not accepted. Being utterly ruined and having to rebuild from scratch after WWII might have something to do with it.

Look, I really don't like the fact that so much union money is wasted on political BS but I see it as a response to the overall corruption of our government by the far-right lobby. Get money out of politics period and we can talk about reigning in union political activities that don't directly involve union members themselves.

Having a military force for the purpose of defense is a necessary evil. Forced conscription for the wealthy and poor alike seems like a better option than what we have now. Right now for many an unemployed prole, joining the military is their only ticket to eat. If we level the playing field maybe the politicians will think twice about using the military for "offense" rather than "defense" as it is intended.

Wait a minute - - what the hell kind of religion doesn't allow members to belong to unions?????

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I suppose you think reproducing like rabbits and letting the "losers" starve in the street is the solution to poverty and unemployment? The welfare state isn't the problem. The problem is modern "service economies" that only grow due to wall street investors profiting from the gutting of the middle class is unsustainable. For a true capitalist utopia to exist labor must have infinite mobility, allowing them to move anywhere in the world to seek the highest wage. Otherwise there is nothing "free" about free trade. Also, extra-national currency unions are stupid and undemocratic, pushed primarily by fraudulent banksters. That is the real reason why Europe is screwed.