16 Dec 2012, 7:48 pm
Oodain wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The United States has somewhat of a violent culture. It's not alone in this and also not as bad as some like to claim.
If it isn't that bad, why do people need automatic and semi-automatic weapons to defend themselves?
It's not that bad but still bad enough to warrant the precaution of being sensibly armed in public.
Where have you seen anyone carrying a full auto anything for self defense in the US?
At least try to get your ducks in a row before taking a crack at these threads.
that it is needed at all is what is weird for many people outside the us.
It doesn't change the fact that personal protection is still needed.
What is is.
16 Dec 2012, 7:48 pm
16 Dec 2012, 7:52 pm
16 Dec 2012, 8:01 pm
16 Dec 2012, 8:01 pm
Dox47 wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
If it isn't that bad, why do people need automatic and semi-automatic weapons to defend themselves?
First, no one is defending themselves or attacking others with automatic weapons, they do exist here but are so rare, tightly controlled, and expensive (like $10,000 expensive) that no one is doing anything with them besides shooting up paper and admiring them in safes.
Second, in this country it's a right, so we don't have to prove a need.
I own revolvers, bolt action rifles, pump shotguns, pump rifles, semi-automatic pistols and semi-automatic rifles, and they all have different uses and I own them all for different reasons. Why do I carry a semi-automatic pistol rather than a revolver? Because it's lighter, easier to conceal, easier to reload and easier to shoot, not because it's the most powerful firearm I own. Why do I own revolvers then? Because the ones I own chamber powerful cartridges and are exceptionally accurate, just the thing for long range target shooting at the range. Why is it any of anyone's business? Beats the hell out of me.
Interesting.
With the guns that you use at the range, why do you keep them at home rather than at a range? Is it because you fear theft, or you visit multiple ranges or use them elsewhere (e.g. hunting)? Or do the ranges not even have this facility?
Raptor wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The United States has somewhat of a violent culture. It's not alone in this and also not as bad as some like to claim.
If it isn't that bad, why do people need automatic and semi-automatic weapons to defend themselves?
It's not that bad but still bad enough to warrant the precaution of being sensibly armed in public.
Where have you seen anyone carrying a full auto anything for self defense in the US?
At least try to get your ducks in a row before taking a crack at these threads.
Why do you think I ask questions if not to learn? (Yeah, I realise the irony of using a rhetorical question to make that point
) Not every post I make is an attempt to score a point.
If you are carrying a gun whenever you are in public, then things have got to be pretty bad, no?
Would you object to the outright banning of automatic guns for civilians?
16 Dec 2012, 8:06 pm
16 Dec 2012, 8:16 pm
The_Walrus wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
If it isn't that bad, why do people need automatic and semi-automatic weapons to defend themselves?
First, no one is defending themselves or attacking others with automatic weapons, they do exist here but are so rare, tightly controlled, and expensive (like $10,000 expensive) that no one is doing anything with them besides shooting up paper and admiring them in safes.
Second, in this country it's a right, so we don't have to prove a need.
I own revolvers, bolt action rifles, pump shotguns, pump rifles, semi-automatic pistols and semi-automatic rifles, and they all have different uses and I own them all for different reasons. Why do I carry a semi-automatic pistol rather than a revolver? Because it's lighter, easier to conceal, easier to reload and easier to shoot, not because it's the most powerful firearm I own. Why do I own revolvers then? Because the ones I own chamber powerful cartridges and are exceptionally accurate, just the thing for long range target shooting at the range. Why is it any of anyone's business? Beats the hell out of me.
Interesting.
With the guns that you use at the range, why do you keep them at home rather than at a range? Is it because you fear theft, or you visit multiple ranges or use them elsewhere (e.g. hunting)? Or do the ranges not even have this facility?
Raptor wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The United States has somewhat of a violent culture. It's not alone in this and also not as bad as some like to claim.
If it isn't that bad, why do people need automatic and semi-automatic weapons to defend themselves?
It's not that bad but still bad enough to warrant the precaution of being sensibly armed in public.
Where have you seen anyone carrying a full auto anything for self defense in the US?
At least try to get your ducks in a row before taking a crack at these threads.
The_Walrus wrote:
Why do you think I ask questions if not to learn? (Yeah, I realise the irony of using a rhetorical question to make that point ) Not every post I make is an attempt to score a point.
) Not every post I make is an attempt to score a point.You seem to refuse to learn, that's why. This is not our first go-around on this topic.
The_Walrus wrote:
If you are carrying a gun whenever you are in public, then things have got to be pretty bad, no?
Already answered by me above /\ not to mention countless others here and over the years in this forum alone.
The_Walrus wrote:
Would you object to the outright banning of automatic guns for civilians?
Yes I would object and I don't even know what your definition of automatic guns is but it's probably technically inaccurate.
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16 Dec 2012, 8:37 pm
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16 Dec 2012, 9:37 pm
Raptor wrote:
PM wrote:
Raptor wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
Heh... I bought just a .22 Remington rifle and was run through a background check.
Still, the situation can be looked at and we can see where things fall through the cracks.
Honestly, I think the best solution is to emulate the Swiss gun culture more.
Still, the situation can be looked at and we can see where things fall through the cracks.
Honestly, I think the best solution is to emulate the Swiss gun culture more.
It's really not that great over there. They really do have strict gun laws even though each citizen soldier stores his Stg-90 at home.
The United States has somewhat of a violent culture. It's not alone in this and also not as bad as some like to claim.
The fix isn't attempted control over inanimate objects and it's not sitting around in a circle holding hands and singing Cumbayá, either.
Walk softly and carry a big pistol is the best protection.
Big pistols are heavy.
As for the OP: Do I need to do a break down of ATF form 4473, the NFA of 1934, the GCA of 1968, and the FOPA of 1986?
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Big pistols are heavy.
Figure of speech taken from the "walk softly and carry a big stick" expression.
My carry piece is usually a little Kahr CW9
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As for the OP: Do I need to do a break down of ATF form 4473, the NFA of 1934, the GCA of 1968, and the FOPA of 1986?
The OP isn't interested in any of that. They never are in threads like this.
Good, because fitting a full size 1911 in one's pants is all but impossible.
I have heard many calls for UK style gun turn-ins from a few people in Western Europe. They fail to realize that the outcome of anything remotely similar would be a Civil War.
