Do you think the world is about to end?

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I see nothing falling apart here in France. The supposed end of the world is regarded as either a non-event or humorous by the vast majority of people here. There is even an Axe TV commercial making fun of it with some guy making an ark and luring lots of women into it.

That's the media talking to you.

Yes, here in the States there is a commercial in which people offer Jello pudding as a sacrifice to the Mayan gods.

I am a little worried about the Earth lining up with the center of the universe. Just in case there's some magnetic or gravitational or other consequence to that. I'm not a very scientific person, so excuse me if that sounds stupid.

No. There is no physical evidence that a stupendous physical calamity is about to take place.

We are suffering from the usual problems to the usual degree. No End of the World. Sorry about that.

ruveyn

Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? The average person in the street doesn't give a flying fig about the supposed end of the world. The "pillars of society" will be in the same place on the 22nd as today. It will be very interesting to see what excuses you give on the 22nd for the non-event.

When I first heard the Mayan doomsday theory, back in 2006, I quickly convinced myself that something was definitely gonna happen. I read some stuff about solar flares, and how we were in a particularly quiet minimum which could lead up to a powerful maximum in 2012. I also read Sitchin's 12th Planet (that whole Nibiru/Annunaki stuff) and it made a lot of sense back then, especially factoring in the Pope Prophecy which reckons we're on our last pope right now too.

Then I went to Uni, studied Biology and became a born-again scientist. My view right now, less than a week from T minus zero, is that there is no evidence to suggest anything out of the ordinary will happen on Friday, taking into consideration only doomsday events the Mayans could possibly predict (cosmic events). We are happily experiencing a rather average solar maximum right now (I didn't even see the northern lights during the last solar flare). Nibiru is nowhere to be seen in the sky, nor are any asteroids/comets which could hit us. Our magnetic poles aren't on the verge of collapsing and reversing.

The only possible theory for a doomsday or out-of-the-ordinary event is visitation by aliens. It may be possible that these aliens previously visited Earth a few times, giving us some technology, artificially inseminating some woman in Jerusalem with.. some super-smart ET who knew how to cure blind men and turn water into wine, then letting a select few people know when they were returning. Which may have been interpreted religiously by the Mayans, who marked their first visitation by the beginning of their calendar and the 'second coming' by the end. If this crazy theory comes to fruition (highly unlikely), I doubt the aliens would have malicious intent.

I don't think the world is going to end, but I'm throwing a party leading up to 00.00am on Thursday night. Right before the stroke of midnight I'll have Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture playing. I also hope I can find a fake doomsday news report to play on the TV and scare my drunken friends

Jeanne Dixon made a lot of predictions covering a lot of ground. This is called "Shotgunning". Sooner or later, one of the predictions is likely to come true, even if several others directly contradict the one that matched.


Exactly. Her "Shotgun" approach resulted in one "hit".

HOWEVER, I've found no documentation of either of these predictions occurring before Mr. Kennedy's assassination, so she may have employed "Back-Casting" to make it seem as if she had made an accurate prediction.

Remember that she was in it for the money, just like all the other frauds and fakes.

All it takes is -one- bad prediction to falsify the theory underlying all; the predictions made.

ruveyn

In theory, yes.

But in reality there's this thing called the "Barnum Effect", which is the name given to the phenomenon whereby people will focus on the 1% or less of the predictions that seem to come true (or the <1% of their prayers that are "answered"...), and forget entirely about the 99% or more of the predictions that failed (... or prayers that are never "answered").

This is to say, that even though Jeanne Dixon may have been correct in as much as 3% of all of her predictions, those who believe in her will conveniently forget the 97% of her predictions that were flat-out wrong, and declare her to have the Gift of Prophesy.

No, The Mayans predicted the Fifth Sun would end, which is what the whole deal is about. Sixth Sun and a new count starts on the 22nd.

It is based on the Sun being in the serpents mouth which happens once every 26,000 years. The mouth is a dark space in the Milky Way, which is also the mouth of Oraboros, the worm eating it's own tail.

It is also the time it takes for the current Pole Star, to circle about and return. They were a smart people, to notice that things happened over such a long time and to count time from it.

Also check the magnetic north pole, it is moving toward Russia and picking up speed.

Then follow that with Jim Morrison singing "This is the End, my friend the END."

Thats a cool party idea. Makes me wanna set up my deejay equipment and throw an end of the world party too! Spin REM's "Its the End of the World As We Know It and I Feel Fine", Prince's "1999", the Chamber's Brothers "Time Has Come Today".

"Now its time to grab that special someone, and to move slow on the dance floor- to this classic by Skeeter Davis[ and then hit play on "Dont they know its the End of the World"]." Its all coming together in my mind.

The Maya actually never made a single prediction related to an apocalypse, but it is claimed by 2012 proponents that the Maya could predict future events. The accuracy of this claim appears to hinge on the type of prediction that is claimed. One problem with proponents is that they generally fail to cite references (yes, I'm referring to YOU, Inventor), so that the claims of various predictions being made are impossible to verify.

A word of caution about "Mayanism": Before you ascribe superior knowledge and insight to the Maya, you should carefully examine their entire culture. If you do so, you will learn that the Maya had many beliefs that we find ridiculous today. For example, that if a child is born during the Uyaeb, it would be doomed to a miserable life. The Maya also practiced ritual bloodletting and human sacrifice.

May as well call the alleged "2012 Transition" the end of the Supernatural Age and the beginning of the Second Age of Reason.


Some "Galactic Alignment" proponents emphasize that because of precession, in 2012 there will be an alignment of the Sun with the "Dark Rift" on the day of the Northern Hemisphere Winter Solstice (21 December 2012) . The 2012 proponents are right, but rarely tell the rest of the story: that same Alignment occurs on the Winter Solstice of more than 100 consecutive years, including 2012!

Some 2012 proponents have claimed that 'the earth's axis will change in 2012', implying that a sudden change will happen. As you can tell from the above discussion, such a sudden change is not precession. Most importantly, it cannot be brought about by anything short of a direct impact from a Mars-sized object.3 Since claims of a sudden change in 2012 are common, we should emphasize here that there is no such object on a collision course with earth. If there were, hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers would have seen it by now. There is no way to hide such an object.

Where precession is relevant to "2012" is in bringing about (or supposedly bringing about) some type of Galactic Alignment. However, the Galactic Alignment claims have their own fallacies.


To circle about and return to what? The current Pole Star is Polaris (or Alpha Ursae Minoris) doesn't circle anything!


In 1831 it was found at Cape Adelaide on the Boothia Peninsula. It was in a slightly different location in 1903. It was later found at Allen Lake on Prince of Wales Island. The Canadian government has made several measurements since, which show that the NMP is continually moving northwest. In 1996 an expedition certified its location by magnetometer and theodolite at +78.595, -104. Its estimated 2005 position was +82.7, -114.4, to the west of Ellesmere Island, the biggest of the Queen Elizabeth Islands, in Canada. During the 20th century it has moved 1,100 km, and since 1970 its rate of motion has accelerated from 9 km/year to 41 km/year. If it maintained its present speed and direction it would reach Siberia in about 50 years, but it is expected to veer from its present course and slow down.

This movement is on top of a daily movement in which the NMP describes a rough ellipse, with a maximum deviation of 80 km from its mean position. This effect is due to disturbances of the geomagnetic field by charged particles from the Sun.

So, all of this movement in the NMP happens now. What ill effects have you noticed? The only thing we have noticed is that we have to update the declination setting on our compasses from time to time (about once a decade).

You seem to have no real understanding of astronomy, Inventor. Why not take some uni courses and learn something useful?

I would love to know who the idiot who found the calendar and deduced "the world will end on this date" from the fact that it ends on that date... I guess they needed another stupid doomsday scare and couldn't come up with a good one, so they just pulled this outta their a**holes. Y2K and that supposed zombie apocalypse came and went, so they had to come up with something new. In a few years, it'll be something else.

Let's see, in my lifetime, what was supposed to destroy the world as we know it? Well, back in the 80s, there was the russians and their nukes, then the next thing I recall was y2k. Then sars, bird flu, swine flu, west nile virus, killer bees... s**t, what else? Oh yeah, even before I heard about the y2k horse s**t, I remember hearing about how the world was gonna end in the year 2000 anyway from some crazy catastrophe. I heard stupid theories about the world being engulfed in flames and a great flood. Now the world's just gonna go *poof* and disappear, or we're gonna supposedly see earthquakes and s**t everywhere... What the f**k ever. I'll tell you what. I do believe there MAY be some significance to the date 12/21/12, but it's not about the world ending. Sometimes I think the rich elite just like to see what they can make us do by telling us about various things to be afraid of. I think it's just a big game to them. And you know what? If the world does somehow end in 3 days, there's not a damn thing I can do about it. There's no point in worrying about the future or dwelling on the past. The only time that truly exists is NOW, and you can't travel thru time, so enjoy the present.

It wasn't the person who found it, nor the person who translated it's text, but the following people, individually and collectively:

• adishakti.org
• Alexander Retrov
• Carl Johan Calleman
• Carlos Barrios
• Daniel Pinchbeck
• David Flynn
• Donny Gillson
• Ivan Stein
• Jaysen Q. Rand
• J. Michael Sayer
• John Major Jenkins
• Jose Arguelles
• Marshall Masters
• Nancy Lieder
• Pane Andov
• Patrick Geryl
• Raymond Mardyks
• Richard Chicago (a.k.a. "Earthplay")
• R. J. Stewart
• Sam Geppi
• Terence McKenna
• Terral Croft
• Zecharia Sitchin

These are the most vocal proponents of the "2012 Doomsday Hoax".

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Good to hear. I'm sure the Seventh Day Adventists are quite interested.

With the Mayan Calander, I find it total bullcrap. Religious reason: I'm a Christian. Earthly reasons: There are 2013 calenders out there, and there's a hotel waiting for me during the weekend. Biblically, however....