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23 Dec 2012, 2:20 pm

Jitro wrote:

Isn't asking this question much like asking the question:

"Why would anyone choose to smoke? Look at all the hatred that smokers get".

One big difference is that (at least in the past), smoking was considered to be cool and fun, and there was peer pressure to do it. I don't think there's peer pressure to be gay, and it certainly isn't considered cool, even more so in the past.

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23 Dec 2012, 2:23 pm

TallyMan wrote:

...Beliefs evolve with us, they are not stagnant.

Excellent.

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23 Dec 2012, 2:32 pm

EtherealBallet wrote:

From what I have heard the ex-gay movement failed badly

Heh, good point.

The_Walrus wrote:

I disagree. You don't choose what you believe, you just believe it. You can change your mind by examining evidence, or thinking critically, or whatever, but you can't choose what you believe.

This is more a general problem with the definition of choice than something to do with beliefs. It is a choice because it can change and it's the mind of the believer that changes itself.
Then again, people are often in a position where they don't know anything but the beliefs they were brought up with, or have been taught that every other option is evil. You could quite reasonably argue that they did not choose their beliefs because it's their environment that caused it. Then again, everything in someone's behaviour is nature and nurture, neither of which is something that is chosen, so using that definition there is no choice whatsoever.

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23 Dec 2012, 11:27 pm

Threore wrote:

I don't understand why people are so adamant about it not being a choice, and it therefore being alright. Whether it's a choice or not seems irrelevant to me. Cancer isn't a choice and I think we all agree it's something that should be cured. Brushing your teeth is a choice and is clearly a good thing. So why would being gay only be okay when it's not a choice?

So...we should punish people for the sin of having cancer?
whats your point?

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23 Dec 2012, 11:37 pm

EtherealBallet wrote:

Homosexuality and tabacco use are completely different. Smoking is considered to be a choice, you would not be born to smoke. Smoking kills; you are highly at risk for many many sicknesses if you do smoke. If you do smoke you put other people at a risk too. Smoking is not a very good comparision as smoking will harm you all by itself. Homosexuality is considered not a choice, one is born to their sexuality. To be honest this most likely refers to bisexuality too as well as other sexualities. Gay is sometimes used for other ones. Despite the word gay meaning "happy, gaudy, cheery ect." I am using it now to refer to "one who is attracted to the same sex even if not only the same sex" I most likely perverted the word from the accepted uses for it but not so very badly. Well to go on I don't think being gay causes all those bad things smoking does nor can I see it directly harming others. The reactions people hve are harmful, I see that of course. That is why people combat those harmful reactions. But going back to the point if sexuality is not chosen nor is who one is attracted to would not someone homosexual be stuck in a bad place. I suppose they could remain single. I think smoking should stop but not homosexual relationships . I think homophobia needs to stop, for it doen't make any sense for people to hate people because of a love that I do not think is harmful. Forgive me for my scattered and unresearched argument. I hope you can read it well. No I don't think the question is the same or alike.

Are you really 13?

You're quite wise for someone of that age.

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24 Dec 2012, 12:11 am

Actually people do choose to try it the first time before they even get addicted. I do not get how can someone not choose to smoke the first time before they get addicted to it. Yeah I know about peer pressure but it's still a choice they make.

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24 Dec 2012, 1:46 am

Because love is love as long as it doesn't involve children animals or corpses its fine by me.

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24 Dec 2012, 2:08 am

MCalavera wrote:

EtherealBallet wrote:

Are you really 13?

You're quite wise for someone of that age.

I am turning 14 soon. Thank you so much! That's one of the best compliments I have gotten!

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24 Dec 2012, 2:25 am

naturalplastic wrote:

Threore wrote:

So...we should punish people for the sin of having cancer?
whats your point?

I think the point was cancer is not a choice but is bad and needs to be cured anyways because it threatens a person's life. Poster, please forgive me for speaking for but it seems that is how it is to be interpeted. Please tell me if I am wrong so that you are not misunderstood.

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24 Dec 2012, 2:40 am

The_Walrus wrote:

visagrunt wrote:

One chooses one's religion, after all

I disagree. You don't choose what you believe, you just believe it. You can change your mind by examining evidence, or thinking critically, or whatever, but you can't choose what you believe.

Who said anything about belief? I said religion. Religious choice may be predicated upon belief, to be sure, but the one is not a necessary precondition for the other.

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25 Dec 2012, 12:04 am

TrainofLove wrote:

In my personal opinion, I believe it's a choice, and although I personally don't condone it, I don't hate anybody for it, and I respect others if they have a differing opinion.

I think I'll leave this one to science.

Your wisdom, please.
Considering the prejudice that gay people face, why do you believe that someone would choose to be gay?

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25 Dec 2012, 1:45 am

I don't believe that many men choose to be gay. I think a few of them, confused and weak minded, get tricked into thinking they might be. But nearly all gay men are genuinely into dudes.

I have however known more than a couple lesbians who insisted that their same-sex attraction and irrational fear of penises have NOTHING to do with having been raped by their mother's boyfriend when they were 12.

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25 Dec 2012, 2:42 am

blauSamstag wrote:

Interesting observation.

Maybe with women it isnt always inborn (although even it were a neurotic response to childhood trauma it still wouldnt exactly be a 'choice').
One young lady I worked with who was lesbian was sexually abused by her stepdad (or mom's bf or such). She was a bit boyish but not so much so that she turned off guys (some of whom were atracted to her). She had other issues ( even wondered if she wasnt muliple personality at one point in our working together).

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25 Dec 2012, 3:35 am

Men do not choose to be homosexual, i.e. have a permanent preference for sexual intimacy with other men. That is something genetically conditioned. We guys are generally wired to prefer having sexual intimacy with females. But some guys are not so wired. Fortunately for the human race the men who prefer sexual intimacy with men are in the minority. Were it otherwise our race would have become extinct long ago.

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26 Dec 2012, 9:03 pm

Considering the fact that no question was posed, but rather an observation or rumination was posted, I shall do likewise.

I am a gay guy. I never chose to be emotionally, physically, mentally and spiritually attracted to other males. This is simply who I am and always have been. It is the most natural thing in the world to me, despite growing up in a culture who proclaimed otherwise.

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26 Dec 2012, 9:55 pm

If homosexuality is a choice, how come so many gay men who have lived in the closet speak of having been miserable the whole time? Why have those who have stepped into the light with their sexuality been so happy, after long last?

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