Joy to the World - A homoeopathic insight

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You are right. Water can have quite a powerful placebo effect.

Homoeopathic medicines are just water, and they do nothing more than placebos.

Usually it flows out of the urethra. And, if it is "living", that would be a bad sign.


Water is hard to knock, unless it is frozen. Usually it splashes if you attempt to knock.

Umm, no.

Homeopathic medicines are in essence no different than any other medicine. Here's an example. Take ephedrine. Ephedrine is naturally found in a few plants. One of the first major uses of ephedrine in medicine was in Chinese medicine as the ma huang plant, usually boiled with other herbs. The ma huang plant has ephedrine and psuedoephedrine in it. We use both for stimulant and nasal decongestive properties. Going even further, we can break down the ephedrine and pseudoephedrine into amphetamines of all different types.

So if you got Mormon tea, a plant in USA with ephedrine in it, made tea out of it, and drank it, not a ton of difference between that and buying Bronkaid from the pharmacy. We can do this with opium, too.

Opium prepped just as poppy pods in a teapot can be even stronger than the pharmathuetical extracts of it.

In a case of Western medicine messing with a good thing, cocaine until we came along was a nice innocuous pick me up tea, drank like coffee is here. Us brilliant people of course knew more than the savage brown skins did, so we made pure cocaine hydrochloride, and then cocaine became the rather unsafe drug it is today.

All of these drugs came about from traditional remedies. There's nothing magic about it. Plants contain various compounds that act upon hormones in our bodies. Most are put there as defense mechanisms. Soy for example has phyto-estrogens to discourage eating it, some plants are straight out poison, for example, ricin is one of the most deadly toxins, and it comes from castor beans. It's "natural," though. We harness the chemicals to influence things how we wish. If it's making a complex chemically induced extract, or as simple as boiling it in a pot of water to make tea, that's all there is to it. There's no "magic" involved. It's just one is synthetically produced and one is natural.

I'm sorry, but comments like that are extremely ignorant. I understand some homeopathic medicines make false claims or aren't effective or whatever, but yes, to write off all herbal or homeopathic medicines is completely idiotic as most medicines have some sort of homeopathic base or background to them.

Ephedrine is not in any way homeopathic. It is a chemical found in plants. Plants are filled with all sorts of different chemicals, so it is quite unsurprising that a few of them do have usable physiological effects. Homeopathic remedies involve taking a substance that causes a symptom, and diluting it to the extent that not a single molecule remains, and them expecting it to somehow counteract that symptom. As, unlike plants, the homeopathic remedy contains no chemicals apart from water, it is not reasonable to expect it to have any physiological effects (apart from rehydration).

How are you able to accept such beliefs and use a computer which is the result of natural science?

Could cognitive dissonance possibly explain the above?

And we can't live forever. That would violate several well established thermodynamic law, particularly the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

ruveyn

I am afraid that you are the one who is being ignorant.

"Homoeopathy" is not the same as "herbal remedies".

Homoeopathy involves finding something that causes an effect on the human body. It is then presumed that it will also cure this effect- this is largely based on chincona bark, which both cures malaria and causes malaria-like symptoms- based on Hahnemann's "law" that "like cures like" (this is not a true law, just an unproven statement).

That alone would be okay, sometimes like will cure like, though a lot of the time it won't. However, homoeopathy claims that a substance's effect increases as concentration drops. This goes against everything we know. Indeed, homoeopaths assert that the best concentrations are less than 1*10^-30 mol/dm^3. However, Avogadro's law tells us that, barring extreme chance, there will be no molecules in 1dm of such a solution. A few drops of the solution are then applied to a sugar tablet- not even remotely 1dm. Homoeopathy is therefore literally just adding water to a sugar tablet.

How does this show that the spiritual world is not fantasy?

Confirmation, if any were needed, that WP is not a good place to make jokes

What do you think "shows" that the spiritual world is a fantasy?

Have you gained access to the spiritual world?

Yesterday I was in a parking lot with a towel around me, getting into my underwear.
Nearby 3 people were fluffing around with their cars. I was ruminating spiritual matters, while drying my nutbag

Then, all 3 autos started at exactly the same time, I mean exactly the same time

The chances of this occurring are 10 to the power of something ridiculously high

they all started within a split second of each other, yet these people had been packing the vehicle etc for over 10min each

some people have eyes but will not see

Of course not, I'm not dead.

Just to avoid talking at cross purposes, what do you mean by "the spiritual world"?

Taken from "Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake", and other reputable sources...

Most homeopathic fluids today range from 6X to 30X, but products of 30C or more are marketed.

A 30X dilution means that the original substance has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Assuming that a cubic centimeter of water contains 15 drops, this number is greater than the number of drops of water that would fill a container more than 50 times the size of the Earth.

Imagine placing a drop of red dye into such a container so that it disperses evenly. Homeopathy's "law of infinitesimals" is the equivalent of saying that any drop of water subsequently removed from that container will possess an essence of redness. Robert L. Park, Ph.D. (a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society), has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water.

This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth, or 1.79208x10^35kg. The Earth weighs about 5.9736×10^24kg.

If you have 1g of water, you have 1/18 of a mole, or 3.34^22 molecules of water. This makes 5.9855472x10^57 the required number of water molecules.

1 molecule of reactant in 5.9855472x10^57 molecules of water means that you would have to consume 5.9855472x10^54 liters of "30C" homeopathic water to obtain that one molecule of reactant.

There is not that much water on the entire planet.

Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The resultant solution is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 in 100^200. This huge number, which has 400 zeroes, is vastly greater than the estimated number of molecules in the universe!

In its February 17, 1997, issue, U.S. News & World Report noted that only one duck per year is needed to manufacture the product, which had total sales of $20 million in 1996. The magazine dubbed that unlucky bird "the $20-million duck."

"QUACK!", said the duck.

Philologos was speaking of the temporal world. I responded with a comment about the spiritual world. So by that, I mean whatever is beyond this physical "materialistic" world.

What? Cogito ergo sum is just about the only thing that can be proven with 100% certainty.

Anything that is material can be measured; if it can not be measured, then it is immaterial. Therefore, the "Spiritual World", since it can not be measured, is immaterial, irrelevant, and inadmissible as evidence.

police use psychics quite regularly in certain cases
to contact the dead


I had a primary spiritual experience recently

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