Does anyone actually want a gun ban?

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A relevant question: Is there anyone here that trusts the US government?

Would anyone with an ounce of sanity trust them?

Another relevant question: is there anyone here who thinks that civilian gun-owners could defeat the US army?

Some say the US Army would not turn on the American citizens.

Civilians and common farmers are standing up to their government in Syria.

Civilians and common farmers are being massacred in Syria. The government is flattening the people, even with the US Special Forces covertly aiding the rebels.

Easily fixed - simply remove the label of "American citizen". Call them "secessionists" or something.

Half the military would probably be included in that.



OK, another example... Would Afghanistan be easier to occupy if every goat farmer did not have an AK47 and RPG in a back room?

I'm not so sure. It would be easy to come up with a dividing line which places the vast majority of military types on one side.

I feel like violence is too glamorized in today's modern culture, I'd prefer toning that down. You'll always have the advocates for gun rights, and you'll always have the proponents for gun control legislation. I sit on the boarder - I feel alot of positive changes could occur with sensible gun laws, but I feel like privileged people should have the right to protect themselves and, or go hunting. The weapons industry is a huge business within America and for the world, I wouldn't like seeing more layoffs, and less profits.

I suggest a trade.

They can have the guns, if we're able to have legalized marijuana and industrial hemp.

Some of us want both to be deregulated.

Some firearms will never be on the list of things to ban for the simple reason that they're commonly owned by the "ruling elite". And to appear like they follow the same rules as the peons, they'll allow the peons to have such too.

Some irrational people would like to ban everything though (I think banning anything is irrational though for the simple fact that someone who misuses such will always find a way and that it's an "object"). But hey, I'm sure they probably think I'm irrational too for thinking people should be able to buy whatever they want (you aren't "free" if you can't buy an RPG-7 from your local mall).

I most certainly do not. Consider the NDAA. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_D ... _Year_2012

It is now possible for an American citizen to be jailed without trial and deprived of the right of habeas corpus.

And this power can be exercised even when there is no war on on the allegation that "American interests" are being threatened or attacked.

I'm from the government and I am here to -help- you. My advice..... when you hear that, run for your life.

ruveyn

Surely you've heard the saying, 'never take a knife to a gunfight'?
That's because it's easier to kill people with guns than it is with knives.

Wrt. background checks: yes, I'm aware that licensed gun dealers must run background checks. I'm also aware that private sellers don't need to in most states.
http://uppitywis.org/blogarticle/wanna- ... no-problem
http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaign ... w-loophole

Wrt. taking on the US army: I don't want ordinary citizens to have access to enough weapons to take on the US marines. I think that the people most interested in that level of armament are more likely to be paranoid and/or bullies than they are to be patriots.

That said, very few people seem to be speaking to the point of this thread: I'm looking for people who want to ban all guns, not allegations that there are tons of such people out there. So far, not a single person has said flat-out that they would do so, although one person ssemed to think that it might be a good idea. It seems like 'banning all guns' is a strawman that gun nuts put out to shut down the discussions of what regulations might be ok to have, because they don't want any regulations at all.

incrementalism

slippery slope fallacy.

claiming a fallacy is not an argument

There has been plenty of posts about banning guns, there has been plenty of politicians talking about bans. What do you think Dianne Feinstein is proposing? What do you think the people out there saying that the 2nd amendment only applies to hunting or militias or olden time muskets are implying? Perhaps you don't have access to a TV and your computer time is limited but in that case you probably should be debating people on the internet on a subject you are completely ignorant in. I don't think that's the case however so your ignorance is willful.

If you want to make an argument, make an argument. You'll have more than enough people to tell you how you are wrong.