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14 Jan 2013, 2:14 pm

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Congress sets the rules to admit states. I'm pretty sure some provences in Canada would'nt be happy to be admitted as one state.


I don't think we have much to worry about. A new bloc of medicare-loving, gay-marrying, marijuana growing folks who have gone for 25 years without any abortion law of any kind is pretty much the last thing that any Republican wants upsetting the delicate political balance.


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14 Jan 2013, 2:35 pm

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Where is the evidence that any other Commonwealth nations are interested in such an agreement?


I never said they would be. Free trade with the Commonwealth is a good start, though. They generally get on with us and we all speak the same language.

The idea is that Britain should become a global country again, as it was historically, and not just a European one.

We have to look at other markets anyway - the EU market is declining every single year (and much of that which is counted as being "sold to EU countries" in fact isn't, but is just sent to EU ports for transshipment to non-EU countries).


If there's no evidence, why is the idea held in such high esteem by people such as yourself?

Regarding the rest of the world, the trend towards free trade areas based on geographic region (EEA/EU, NAFT and AFTA for example) shows no sign of reversing. Has there been any studies regarding how strong the UK's negotiating position would be in gaining advantageous trade agreements with nations already in such areas and those no currently involved in any?

Finally, does your final claim regarding UK exports to other EU states have a source?



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14 Jan 2013, 2:48 pm

ICY wrote:
If there's no evidence, why is the idea held in such high esteem by people such as yourself?


There's no evidence that there is at the present time, but I'm sure all avenues are being looked at prior to leaving EU membership. It would be our natural starting point - basically ending up where we left off before we all abandoned them all to join the EEC in 1973.

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Regarding the rest of the world, the trend towards free trade areas based on geographic region (EEA/EU, NAFT and AFTA for example) shows no sign of reversing.


It's worth noting that the EU is the only trade area which wants to become a political union. NAFTA and the others are free-trade areas.

As I said earlier - it doesn't make sense for us to be a part of a Single Market that only makes for, what, 38% - and falling - of the UK's trade (even taking into account the Antwerp/Rotterdam Effect and Netherlands Distortion effect). See here.

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Has there been any studies regarding how strong the UK's negotiating position would be in gaining advantageous trade agreements with nations already in such areas and those no currently involved in any?


There hasn't, as far as I know.

ICY wrote:
Finally, does your final claim regarding UK exports to other EU states have a source?


Sure: here.



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14 Jan 2013, 3:01 pm

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If the U.K. became our 51st state, then that would mean we'd have to take both Ulster and Scotland, right?


Yeah. Right. O.K. Cancel my suggestion.

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14 Jan 2013, 3:15 pm

Tequila wrote:
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If there's no evidence, why is the idea held in such high esteem by people such as yourself?


There's no evidence that there is at the present time, but I'm sure all avenues are being looked at prior to leaving EU membership. It would be our natural starting point - basically ending up where we left off before we all abandoned them all to join the EEC in 1973.

ICY wrote:
Regarding the rest of the world, the trend towards free trade areas based on geographic region (EEA/EU, NAFT and AFTA for example) shows no sign of reversing.


It's worth noting that the EU is the only trade area which wants to become a political union. NAFTA and the others are free-trade areas.

As I said earlier - it doesn't make sense for us to be a part of a Single Market that only makes for, what, 38% - and falling - of the UK's trade (even taking into account the Antwerp/Rotterdam Effect and Netherlands Distortion effect). See here.

ICY wrote:
Has there been any studies regarding how strong the UK's negotiating position would be in gaining advantageous trade agreements with nations already in such areas and those no currently involved in any?


There hasn't, as far as I know.

ICY wrote:
Finally, does your final claim regarding UK exports to other EU states have a source?


Sure: here.


From your responses I am forced to summarize that you wish for the UK to undertake a course of action, despite lacking any evidence suggesting it would be in the national interest.

P.S. Thank you for the Civitas link, very interesting.