Did Israel cause genocide on Ethiopians?

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So, what's your option? Given that if this is successful, there may be a massive flood of Ethiopians wanting to pull the same trick?

They are Jews coming though Law of Return, they aren't even non-Jewish - and no, I doubt they would do this to another group, (especially not another Jewish group).

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Wow, I didn't know this.

That puts a very different spin on it and is indefensible.

It's one of the conditions of Israel to accept all Jews. If someone converts to Judaism to get into the country, then it's a problem of their own making. If they want to stop immigration of Jews from certain countries, they need to rethink the Law of Return.

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No further questions.

As for thomas81 and xenon13: this is simply a massively unprincipled dig by you and the rather vicious Electronic Intifada. We all know that if Abunimah and yourself had your way, there would be no - or very few - Jews in the Middle East of any colour and there would never for one second be any Aliyah. That's sort of the problem with the far-left (and the white supremacist types plus Islamists) generally on Israel - you know they've lost it when their digs actually don't have any logic even on their own terms.

They are Jews who happen to be black. And it's that black color that is the reason for the sorry treatment they're getting.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There was a large airlift of Ethiopian Jews to Israel when Mengistu Haile Miriam was ousted in 1991 and the late Meles Zenawi seized power in Addis Ababa. They were very proud of that at the time.

Not strictly true, as almost all the Ethiopian Jews in the world now live in Israel (they've been allowed to immigrate to Israel since 1977, when the Israeli government decided that the Law of Return applied to the Beta Israel). They make up nearly 1.8% of the population of Israel (130,000 people) and these people making Aliyah never had this treatment before. Which is why I find it so puzzling.

At least the Israelis have admitted that they have done this, which is something. Doesn't take away from their policy being repellent and I suspect that there were some very embarrassed faces yesterday.

They may be inconsistent but they're not wrong. This is a disgraceful policy. Yet you have an uncritical attitude toward Israel that would make Avigdor Lieberman blush.

Israel has lots of exclusionist laws on the books, especially when it comes to marriage and immigration. Some of the Israeli courts adhere to Halakhah, which prescribes discriminatory treatment of non-Jews. This is worse than any official policy though.

But I believe the Israeli leadership back in those days was not nearly as right wing as it is today.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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No, they're using every stick they can find to bash Israel. One minute they're saying that no Jews should be allowed to 'invade' and 'occupy' Israel and that they should be forced out of Palestine, the next minute they're having a go at Israel for trying to stem the birthrate of Jews born in Israel.

You couldn't make it up.



And I agree with you. After looking at the facts of the situation, I had to concede that this was a vile, discriminatory policy. I thought this was about non-Jewish African immigrants. It turns out that it refers to Ethiopian Jews making Aliyah under the Law of Return.

See my comments here:



And:



Are you happy now? This is the third time I've dissed this abhorrent and, well, racist policy in this thread.

It's a good, legitimate criticism of Israel to make. It doesn't require demanding an end to the Jewish State, and it doesn't require supporting blowing people up in cafés and on buses. It just requires simple pointing out of an obvious wrong made by the Israeli government, which I'm sure they're quite embarrassed about and will now hastily rectify.



I wouldn't vote for Lieberman, I don't think.

I'm surprised you didn't go all-out as smearing me as, say, less moderate than Meir David Kahane. That's the usual response by the left to people on the right who mount a robust defence of something they don't agree with.



What, you mean like Jews can't marry non-Jews in Israel? This is in accordance with Jewish law. I agree that that would be a nuisance for anyone living there that was attached to an Arab, but I don't consider it that much more problematic than, say, the situation of women in Malta or on the island of Ireland who want an abortion. Remember it's supposed to be a "Jewish and democratic state"? Jews who marry Arabs simply use it as an opportunity to go for a quick break in Cyprus instead. When they get back, their marriage is fully recognised in Israel. Much like Maltese women would use it as an excuse to go to Italy for an abortion or to go to the UK for a divorce (divorce is still illegal in Malta!). It's not perfect by any means and yes, and I can see how it's discriminatory. Oh, and Cyprus is the nearest free country geographically to Israel. Which says a lot about Arab countries, doesn't it.

Oh, and LGBT civil unions are completely legal in Israel. Fancy going to Gaza and asking Hamas, as a gay person, if you can marry your male partner in Gaza? If you make it back alive, let me know how it goes.

As a non-Jew I'd still far and away live in Tel Aviv or Haifa than, say, Gaza City or Hebron.



Examples please?



Unfortunately, you'd be wrong. It was a right-wing Zionist governing coalition that oversaw the right of the Ethiopian Jews to settle in Israel. In fact, it was the first major Revisionist Zionist government in Israel, and the application of the Law of Return to apply to Ethiopian Jews was hastily effected as soon as Menachem Begin became Prime Minister.

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Shocking statistic: 18% of 1,500 Palestinian schoolchildren in schools in the West Bank and Gaza are overweight or obese (only 7% of them were classed as being underweight). See here.

While Begin was in many ways an asshat, he was still the guy who made peace with Egypt. I think there was something humane in him that from time to time overcame his right wing ideology.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Israel is happy to make peace with anyone that will make peace with them. See also the treaty signed with Jordan.

If that were true there would have been extermination camps in Israel decades ago.

While the Israelis are far from ideal folks, they are nowhere near the Evil of Hitler and Stalin. Hitler and Stalin and Mao, eache killed their own country men in the order of tens of millions. Israel has done no such damage the and people they are fighting, have from the -beginning- pledged to wipe out the Jewish presence from the middle east.

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