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25 Feb 2013, 10:27 pm

Ann2011 wrote:
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. . . after all the Devil is in control of this world

Is this a biblical reference or your own belief? I have often wondered about this. The bible refers to Lucifer being cast out of heaven. Did God leave him to rule on Earth?

I'd like to know what Nambo has to say about it, also. Personally, I believe that God appointed humanity as stewards of this world. It is our job, so to speak, to manage it under God's guidance. I think Lucifer only rules when and where human beings give him dominion. If Lucifer rules on Earth, it's because we (collectively) give it to him. The fall of man according to Genesis directly involves mankind favoring an inferior being's authority to that of the Supreme being. What Lucifer cannot have is authority over all individuals. If Lucifer reigns under God over all else (because of the power individuals give him), each person still has the power to acknowledge that only God truly has power over all creation and thus deny Lucifer any power he might hold over that person.

The irony is that Satan only has as much power as we allow him to have. God still reigns supreme whether we like it or not. Satan is thus lower than human beings in that he can only have as much influence for as long as we let him.



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25 Feb 2013, 11:12 pm

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If it's for support, you would do well to post it here as well just for the sake of honest feedback and/or advice. Many of us may not be Christians now, but we were definitely serious Christian believers at one point in life, so you may benefit from our perspectives as well.


That's a dirty trick for the purpose of point-scoring and making yourself look good fighting religion. Your response above was exactly what I thought it was going to be regardless of what she said. You even showed an OP you wrote...


Nothing dirty about honesty. Unless that's how you feel about honesty, that is.



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25 Feb 2013, 11:12 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
Nambo wrote:
. . . after all the Devil is in control of this world

Is this a biblical reference or your own belief? I have often wondered about this. The bible refers to Lucifer being cast out of heaven. Did God leave him to rule on Earth?

I'd like to know what Nambo has to say about it, also. Personally, I believe that God appointed humanity as stewards of this world. It is our job, so to speak, to manage it under God's guidance. I think Lucifer only rules when and where human beings give him dominion. If Lucifer rules on Earth, it's because we (collectively) give it to him. The fall of man according to Genesis directly involves mankind favoring an inferior being's authority to that of the Supreme being. What Lucifer cannot have is authority over all individuals. If Lucifer reigns under God over all else (because of the power individuals give him), each person still has the power to acknowledge that only God truly has power over all creation and thus deny Lucifer any power he might hold over that person.

The irony is that Satan only has as much power as we allow him to have. God still reigns supreme whether we like it or not. Satan is thus lower than human beings in that he can only have as much influence for as long as we let him.

This may go back in part to the story of Adam, Eve, the apple and the Devil. It was Eve's eating of the apple that brought her knowledge. This could be symbolic of the acquisition of agricultural skills - that the environment can be manipulated to produce desired results. This has allowed our race to grow in numbers, but perhaps it is destructive overall.
I think you are correct AR in that we have the ability to be aware of the moral value of our choices. But I wonder about the nature of evil and the vigilance needed in everyday life to combat it.
Perhaps humans are uniquely caught between two forces who are in opposition.



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26 Feb 2013, 3:35 am

Ann2011 wrote:
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. . . after all the Devil is in control of this world

Is this a biblical reference or your own belief? I have often wondered about this. The bible refers to Lucifer being cast out of heaven. Did God leave him to rule on Earth?


Biblical

John 12:31 The time for judging this world has come, when Satan, the ruler of this world, will be cast out.

John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me,

John 16:11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

Luke 4 5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”

2 Corinthians 4 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

1 John 5 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.


Theres a few off the top of my head, logically as well, if Jesus was running the world, how come there is all this death and suffering and wars?, we wouldnt be asked to pray for Gods Kingdom to come if it was allready here. Why do you think the most eveil of men get the top jobs to run countries and start wars?
Its one of the reasons Gods name will be vindicated as at the moment people blame God for all the suffering as they think he rules the world.



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26 Feb 2013, 4:02 am

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26 Feb 2013, 8:05 am

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Theres a few off the top of my head, logically as well, if Jesus was running the world, how come there is all this death and suffering and wars?, we wouldnt be asked to pray for Gods Kingdom to come if it was allready here. Why do you think the most eveil of men get the top jobs to run countries and start wars?
Its one of the reasons Gods name will be vindicated as at the moment people blame God for all the suffering as they think he rules the world.

Thanks for listing these. I'm not that familiar with the bible, but I often have a sense that the values that are reinforced in our world are not what I would think of as virtues. Laziness, idolatry and greed are the vices I seem to come across on a daily basis. It's surprising to me how many people subscribe to them.
As I mentioned earlier, I don't think it's prayer that makes a person good; I think it's how you choose to behave.



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26 Feb 2013, 4:55 pm

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Nothing dirty about honesty. Unless that's how you feel about honesty, that is.


I forgot you are a member of a group of people that resorts to cheap shots and snide remarks when someone questions you, and I did call you out on having a predetermined answer and falsely caring about what someone was going to say to you in order to post your own work.

I am considering this the second attempt to make the thread about you, so I'll stop now.



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26 Feb 2013, 8:20 pm

I'm Catholic, but not Christian.

@ OP: Feel free to PM me if you have any questions related to your question.


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26 Feb 2013, 11:28 pm

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how do you deal with being a Christian while having problems like for example ASD? How do you keep the faith? Why are we all going through these things if God wants good things for us?


I have AS and I'm also Christian, I can tell you that I deal with being a Christian with AS by taking it one day at a time. I've faced problems in my life (we all have), faith especially being one, but I always keep in mind, that regardless of how I feel about a situation, God is always there for me, and he never has, nor will, abandon me out of spite or anger. I keep my faith by remembering not only that, but also when I ask God for things (such as my situation to be improved) I believe that I will receive, not the solution to my problem, but rather what I need in order to find the solution myself. That's how God works, he wants us to be independant, he wants the best for us in every way but he won't do all the work for us, he wants us to learn and grow and evolve without simply being given the answers to life's problems. (which brings me to your last question)People tend to forget that while yes, we have a loving God who wants the best for us, we also have an enemy, and our enemy is the Adversary (Satan). Satan will do everything in his power to strain our faith and put doubt in our lives, and he does so every day until we break.
Satan's biggest illusion in the world right now is that he doesn't exist at all, and that illusion makes people blame God for the bad things that happen in their lives, and they in turn doubt God's existence because of a lack of goodness in their lives. It's a never-ending battle between Satan and God, one trying to take away goodness, the other battling the one trying to take away said goodness, and there will be ups and downs.

Just remember that God is always there, even during the times that it may not seem that he is.

God bless.


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27 Feb 2013, 12:18 am

iBlockhead wrote:
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Nothing dirty about honesty. Unless that's how you feel about honesty, that is.


I forgot you are a member of a group of people that resorts to cheap shots and snide remarks when someone questions you, and I did call you out on having a predetermined answer and falsely caring about what someone was going to say to you in order to post your own work.

I am considering this the second attempt to make the thread about you, so I'll stop now.


Nice projection. Nobody's talking dirty and cheap but you. I was being honest with my thoughts. Cut with the demonizing crap and just let it be.



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27 Feb 2013, 12:26 am

Thanks for all of the replies. No matter if I was tricked into posting my questions or not I'm glad I posted them because a lot of you have written good things. Thanks. I don't know how to explain what I'm going through right now without getting very upset but it has to do with all my mental issues + my granddad doing really bad (cancer) + me failing university. Reading some of your posts make me feel better so please keep writing. Even though I don't reply that much right now I'm reading all of it and I appreciate you taking the time to write.

I just want to clarify that I don't really doubt God's existence and I'm not going to stop believing in him. What I'm struggling with is thinking that my faith isn't enough and wondering where God is because I don't feel like he's helping me. I'm not saying he's not here for me but my world's crumbling and I feel like all these things I'm going through will break me anytime now. I spend the days fighting (studying though I'm failing uni no matter how hard I try, fighting my urges to shout at people for being so noisy, fighting anxiety and depression etc etc) and then I spend my nights crying because I'm so exhausted and so scared. I know we're all going through things and, like I mentioned earlier, I know we're all fighting things. I just don't know how to do this anymore. I need God to help me. What do I have to do for him to help me?



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27 Feb 2013, 12:53 am

Sorry to hear of the troubles, rebbieh. You weren't tricked by me into posting what you posted by the way. I suggested you do it because I suspected that it was about some struggle you've been having with your faith. And because Christians can't/won't tell you what you should really hear/believe. All Christians can do is to tell you to "pray on it". If you were me, you'd not be satisfied with such an answer.

Also, you may believe that God exists, but your post is clear that you're doubting him regardless. What can Christians honestly say to make you feel truly better and relieve you of your struggle? Nothing much. More often than not, once you start doubting, you can't truly go back to the way it was before.



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27 Feb 2013, 1:03 am

Ann2011 wrote:
Nambo wrote:
. . . after all the Devil is in control of this world

Is this a biblical reference or your own belief? I have often wondered about this. The bible refers to Lucifer being cast out of heaven. Did God leave him to rule on Earth?


Satan's ruling of earth isn't necessarily due to God. God cast lucifer into the pit of flames as punishment for acting against God, and lucifer has since made earth his domain. His days under that ruling are numbered however, because after those who are born again/saved are taken into the Kingdom of Light (Heaven) God's armies will wage war here on earth for 7 years, each year opening a sealed scroll containing perils for the evil army. After which, Satan's forces will be cast into an eternal prison, never to reign again, and Earth will be made into New Earth, and the believers that were saved, both when Christ returned and those who sought out God's truth during those 7 years, will live on that New Earth.

So really, to answer your question: not exactly, God isn't leaving him be, and will eventually cast him into the void. And like all things, it's just a matter of time.

Anyway, that's just what I believe, but whenever asking questions about religion, you'll always hear a different response from everyone so in contrast, you'll only hear what each person believes, you'll have to make a determination on your own based on the information that you've heard as well as the information you read in a bible. (I put italics on "a" because there are many versions, some worse than others. I'd recommend the King James Version if you plan to read it, a Kregel Companion Bible specifically, because that's easier to understand and is a better translation of the message than most others imo).


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27 Feb 2013, 1:11 am

Jaden wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
Nambo wrote:
. . . after all the Devil is in control of this world

Is this a biblical reference or your own belief? I have often wondered about this. The bible refers to Lucifer being cast out of heaven. Did God leave him to rule on Earth?


Satan's ruling of earth isn't necessarily due to God. God cast lucifer into the pit of flames as punishment for acting against God, and lucifer has since made earth his domain. His days under that ruling are numbered however, because after those who are born again/saved are taken into the Kingdom of Light (Heaven) God's armies will wage war here on earth for 7 years, each year opening a sealed scroll containing perils for the evil army. After which, Satan's forces will be cast into an eternal prison, never to reign again, and Earth will be made into New Earth, and the believers that were saved, both when Christ returned and those who sought out God's truth during those 7 years, will live on that New Earth.

So really, to answer your question: not exactly, God isn't leaving him be, and will eventually cast him into the void. And like all things, it's just a matter of time.

Anyway, that's just what I believe, but whenever asking questions about religion, you'll always hear a different response from everyone so in contrast, you'll only hear what each person believes, you'll have to make a determination on your own based on the information that you've heard as well as the information you read in a bible. (I put italics on "a" because there are many versions, some worse than others. I'd recommend the King James Version if you plan to read it, a Kregel Companion Bible specifically, because that's easier to understand and is a better translation of the message than most others imo).


Then there are us non-born again Christians who are amillennialistic, and believe God's kingdom is the church, as well as the inner kingdom in the hearts of all true believers.

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27 Feb 2013, 8:22 am

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I just want to clarify that I don't really doubt God's existence and I'm not going to stop believing in him. What I'm struggling with is thinking that my faith isn't enough and wondering where God is because I don't feel like he's helping me. I'm not saying he's not here for me but my world's crumbling and I feel like all these things I'm going through will break me anytime now. I spend the days fighting (studying though I'm failing uni no matter how hard I try, fighting my urges to shout at people for being so noisy, fighting anxiety and depression etc etc) and then I spend my nights crying because I'm so exhausted and so scared. I know we're all going through things and, like I mentioned earlier, I know we're all fighting things. I just don't know how to do this anymore. I need God to help me. What do I have to do for him to help me?

Like an earlier poster said, the tools are there, it's up to you to find them. Have you been to your doctor to talk about these issues? You may find some help there. I'm sorry you are struggling right now; put your faith in yourself. You can get through it.



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27 Feb 2013, 10:28 am

Jaden wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
Nambo wrote:
. . . after all the Devil is in control of this world

Is this a biblical reference or your own belief? I have often wondered about this. The bible refers to Lucifer being cast out of heaven. Did God leave him to rule on Earth?


Satan's ruling of earth isn't necessarily due to God. God cast lucifer into the pit of flames as punishment for acting against God, and lucifer has since made earth his domain.

I wonder what drew him to Earth. Interesting for us to see how we respond to this influence.

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So really, to answer your question: not exactly, God isn't leaving him be, and will eventually cast him into the void. And like all things, it's just a matter of time.

I hope so.