New World Order? I think not.

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The only reason people trust the Government is because they're taught to. Schools don't teach people how to think for themselves. Grades are given to you based on what you can remember, it has nothing to do with your intelligence.
I'm not saying School is pointless or anything stupid like that. But the current education system is just helping to create people that go along with what everyone else does and thinks. It sets you up for a life where you think you have to follow a certain structure. School. Most likely another form of education (University/College) that puts you in debt, finally start your career, get married, have kids, die. some people will skip a thing or 2, like having kids for example.
I was going to keep going but I've been researching this so-called conspiracy for about... 8 years? And i"m sick of people being shown evidence and still denying it. Or seeing the horrible things the Government does and accepting it/defending them.
Something simple to do is to look up fluoride and dental fluorosis.
Or just watch this video, it doesn't have everything you could want to know about it but it'll do. I like what he says near the end "Spend a little bit of time looking at it on both sides of the issues, don't just look at one side, filtered. Look at both sides and weigh it for yourself".
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When you talk of conspiracy nuts, it is really those that have terribly simplistic world view, think they are being so profound and special because they have this 'insight', are patronizing to everyone else calling them 'sheeple' and telling them to 'wake up'. Most of all they conflate all world problem into a single boogie man (or few). It is an easy way to absolve themselves of responsibility, because those are the bad guys, and therefore they are the good guys.

They totally misunderstand our animal nature, and self-interest (and don't see it in themselves), which doesn't work with these sorts of conspiracies, as they require an unprecedented level of cooperation and solidarity. They don't understand the logistics of such operations, what it would take to pull off, and the manpower involved, and the likelihood of not being found out. Most all the motive is totally nonsensical, you can have power without having resort to all this nonsense. When you grill them on the point, and why such an all powerful organization we need to even need to hide their intentions, why the silly games, why the subtle but seemly deliberate clues, they can't really answer.

When someone uses 'wake up' and 'sheeple' you can usually tell pretty shortly they don't know what they are talking about, and their real world experience is limited.

There are some conspiracies regarding Diana's death. One guy pointed out that the ambulance took a while to reach in what should be a short journey. So I replied "what is it the conspiracy, that the french government, and the the french ambulance service conspired with Prince Philip and cohorts to slow the ambulance down, an no one had anything to say about this? OR Prince Phillip used his reptilian telekinesis to cause calamity.

To those that say government is a force, government is a mechanism, there are forces in government, it can be used as a mechanism for bad, but is being pulled in all directions. This is the power dynamic.

People also need to take responsibility for their own disappointment, they are obsessed with manifesto politic, they aren't realistic, they ask for the same thing over an over, which they know will never happen. They are taking an active part in their own deception. Politicians lie, because being truthful in politics will get you nowhere, because people don't want to be told want they don't want to hear.

It is ok not trust government, but if you think you would be any better, you a probably kidding yourself, you cannot satisfy all of the the people all of the time. Most people would do a terrible job running the country.

The only thing worse than government is no government at all.

Governments are bad. Anarchy is worse. But there are no good governments and there never were any.

ruveyn

The NWO certainly is real, one does not need to look hard since they don't bother to hide what they're doing. They operate in plain sight. Do you trust DHS? Do you value the constitution and the rights protected with in it? Do you think the anal probes by the TSA are making you any safer?

"Conspiracy theorist" is used more of as a pejorative and dismissal of legitimate grievances against our criminal governments than for actual conspiracy theories, something tells me you're not whining about reptilians.

There are legitimate grievances, but the fact remains, there are also more than enough insane-os out there who think the government had orchestrated a hoax at Sandy Hook in order to take our guns, or that the federal government had mastered weather control in order to cause tornado disasters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There is nothing wrong with conspiratorial thinking, one should question their government/media/etc. Think for yourself, follow the money, cui bono, whatever. Some people take it too far or believe in nonsensical things but that is a individual trait and they would be no different whatever they believed. Being an unthinking unattached little Eichmann is far more destructive.

Words like sheeple are way overused and people tend to think the way you do about people who use words like that. But they started off reasonable enough.
Just because you don't understand why someone does something, doesn't mean they aren't doing it. But the simple answer here is for power. And you're right, you can get power through other means, which woudl probably be a lot easier... but they way they do things gives them more power.
Why do you think we misunderstand our animal nature and self interest? If anything, we understand it very well. When people use their power the way the Government does, it's pretty clear that it's all for their own interests.
The problem is you get some people claiming things like reptilians from underground have made themselves look human (or taken over human bodies, I dont know) but when you actually read or listen to someone talk about it, it's obvious that it's a load of crap.
Then you get people saying there were bombs in the WTC buildings. If you watch a demolition and then watch the WTC buildigns collapse, it does look a lot like a demolition. However, upon doing research, you can see that was not the case. The planes brought them down without any assistance. I think of this as the middle ground. People do enough research to find out that it was an inside job but they dont do quite enough research and an assumption starts and before you know it, it's common belief within conspiracy theorists.

"Politicians lie, because being truthful in politics will get you nowhere, because people don't want to be told want they don't want to hear. "

So you're saying that they all lie for our benefit? Or because if they don't, they wont be "elected'?
Neither is true. If they had nothing to hide, they wouldn't need to lie. And anyone that can think for themselves will be interested in facts, not lies or sugar coated stories.
You say we need to take responsibility? We're the ones trying to tell you what's going on. We're at least trying to help. I'll take responsibility for things I do and don't do. But if you expect us to do that, you need to take responsibility for ignoring the facts and if the s**t hits the fan, I wont be guilty, because I least I did what I could for what is so painfully obvious is happening.

Hold on this is just the kind of stuff I'm talking about. How do you know I couldn't understand? Given a reasonable explanation.

You say the simple answer is power. But these conspiracies are quite intricate. What does power actually equate to in this case? Why is it so beneficial given that conspiracy?

It all very easy to say the simple answer is power, but the point is this is quite short on detail, it doesn't really explain the point of the conspiracy.

Note NWO theorist (at least the purists), assert there is global organization, working against innocent citizens of the world. They are not just saying there are various corrupt groups and people.




Because self interest makes it difficult for these grand conspiracies to succeed, because it unlikely that individuals involved in such a grand conspiracy to just go along with the conspiracies, without putting their own self interest ahead of the collective conspiracy. Given the logistics, and manpower involved, seems pretty surprising that enough of these people are getting that much of a return out of these conspiracies, rather than just working to their own self interests. None of these people have been identified, why would they keep quiet?

It is quite human to become dissatisfied, and fall out, and want to do your own thing. This isn't factored in these grand conspiracies.



That not quite it. I'm saying people in general, you included, aren't telling me anything I haven't thought about or heard. People expect thing to happen that are political and practical impossibilities or not likely to last. They need someone to tell them it will. In every election voters will have thing that they will not negotiate on, which are deeply ingrained in their mentality. The real likelihood, of candidates being on the exact same page as each potential voter is pretty slim, However they have to gain votes, in order to elected, you need to satisfy a lot of different people, who at best are quite picky, and at worst expect everyone to be on the same page. You can try to be coy about policy, be generally vague on some issues, but there reality is they are going to have to bend the truth at some point, it is political suicide not to. People have tried an failed many times not to go down that road, you would have be the most convincing person on earth to be able to turn the majority of the electorate to your way of thinking, You don't have the much time, in a campaign, it can take years to change a person's opinion if it is deeply ingrained.

I don't like spin, but it does exist for a reason, and we are all culpable to some extent. Given the choice of someone who can lie convincingly, someone lies unconvincingly, or someone who can't lie, they will pick the first. Such is life. People don't want to be told what they don't what to hear, most already have some sort of expectation, for their eventual candidate.

Tony Blair was elected three times, he fits into the first category. Brown lost the election first time, he fits into second.

Blair is mostly reviled in the UK now, yet the fact remains he was elected three time. His public speaking and debating skills are beyond good. He used to take any bad situation and turn it on its head, with his verbal skills. But even he is fallible, he wasn't able to recover from the Iraq war debarckle. However he still has his die hard supporters, which is why he is able to make millions public speaking and consultancy.

Also people tend not judge their official by their some standards. If you observe neutrally, the embarrassing truth, is most of use are doing the same sort of lies and half truth in out daily lives, we are not much better than the politicians really. We just don't think that way, much of this stuff is par for the course, we just forget about it and move on. You could argue it is a reality of life.

I agree. There are no good governments anywhere. Only bad governments and worse governments.

The only thing worse than government is no government at all.

ruveyn

I think your point on anarchy makes sense, I say the same for "direct democracy" which is never going to be a replacement for government. Interesting the American Forefather's discussed direct democracy specifically and ruled it out for sound reasons of protecting minority rights. As far as I'm aware they didn't get as far as discussion the logistics an costs.

But the rest of it is pseudo-profound. It is all comparative, give a time period people can be generally satisfied, indifferent, or unsatisfied. Regarding intent it really difficult to know for sure, and what does it really mean. It is not always simple to gauge the power dynamic in any given moment.

What you are insinuating is voters should be discerning and naturally suspicious, I can't disagree.

I agree.

I didn't say you couldn't understand, I said you don't understand. And I know you don't understand because of what you're saying.

Power does explain it. They want power and those in charge have it. But in order to keep it, you have to create other enemies, distractions, a terrible education system, control the mainstream media, etc.
Explaining all of those things and then answering the questions that tend to arise afterwoods, takes a very long time. But if you can find the documentary The Way You Don't See by Jon Pilger, that will fil lyou in on some truths about war and the media. It's really good, I highly recommend it.


What about companies and organizations that stay together on the one goal? Or a charity? You join or born into something that already has a plan, you wont be able to change it, no one would let you.
And you're forgetting that people can be bought off or threatened.

Speaking of which... ever heard of a car that runs on water? It's never seen the light of day. Why? Because that would mean losing out on a lot of money.
I should not have only said power before. It's greed, too.

"None of these people have been identified, why would they keep quiet? "
If you were partly responsible for theft, mass murder and basically betraying human kind, would you want to tell anyone?

JFK actually made a speech about this (the "conspiracy" in general). He was trying to warn everyone.
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He was killed because of it.
"And there is very grave danger, that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand it's meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment, that I do not intend to permit, for the extent that it's in my control."
And that's exactly what has happened and is continuing to happen.