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06 Mar 2013, 6:40 am

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*Sigh* When will Israel and Palestine simply learn to share?


When the Pali-s stop committing murder and show a willingness to leave in peace.

Just recall how quickly the Israelis settled their differences with Egypt.

If the Palestinians could be relied on to stop being murderers there would be peace in under a month.

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06 Mar 2013, 6:49 am

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Israel launches 'Palestinian only' buses

i can not see how that is racist. if palestinians are blowing themselves up on mixed passenger buses then obviously they can not ride on mixed buses.
instead of the israelis saying "walk ya bastards!" they spend money to provide them with an exclusive bus service.

maybe it is due to the fact that there are so many olive trees growing over there, that they have been desensitized to olive branches.



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06 Mar 2013, 7:04 am

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Israel launches 'Palestinian only' buses

i can not see how that is racist. if palestinians are blowing themselves up on mixed passenger buses then obviously they can not ride on mixed buses.
instead of the israelis saying "walk ya bastards!" they spend money to provide them with an exclusive bus service.

maybe it is due to the fact that there are so many olive trees growing over there, that they have been desensitized to olive branches.


Evan Eben an Isreali minister early in the history of the State once said: The Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance.

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06 Mar 2013, 7:19 am

1989 Tel Aviv-Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack (16 dead)
1994 Afula Bus suicide bombing (8 dead)
1994 Hadera bus station suicide bombing (5 dead)
1994 Dizengoff Street bus bombing (22 dead)
1995 Kfar Darom bus attack (8 dead)
1995 Ramat Gan bus bombing (6 dead)
1995 Ramat Eshkol bus bombing (4 dead)
1996 Ashkelon bus station bombing (1 dead)
1996 First Jerusalem bus 18 suicide bombing (29 dead)
1996 Second Jerusalem bus 18 suicide bombing (19 dead)
2001 Pardes Hanna bus bombing (3 dead)
2001 Haifa bus 16 suicide bombing (15 dead)
2002 3rd Egged bus 823 bombing (7 dead)
2002 Patt Junction Bus Bombing (19 dead)
2002 Meron Junction Bus 361 attack (9 dead)
2002 Allenby Street bus bombing (6 dead)
2002 Kiryat Menachem bus bombing (11 dead)
2003 Haifa bus 37 suicide bombing (17 dead)
2003 Jerusalem bus 6 bombing (7 dead)
2003 Davidka Square bus bombing (17 dead)
2003 Shmuel HaNavi bus bombing (23 dead)
2004 Gaza Street bus bombing (11 dead)
2004 Liberty Bell Park bus bombing (8 dead)
2004 Tel Aviv bus stop bombing (16 dead)

... 311 fatal casualties (not including the perpetrators) from bus bombings in Israel since 1989... That 38.7 percent of all fatal casualties from Palestinian suicide attacks from 1989 to 2008.

And I am not even counting the bus bombings which only caused injuries or no injuries at all.

Nor did I include the following:

2002 Megiddo Junction bus bombing (17 dead)
2002 Immanuel bus attack (9 dead)
2003 Tel-Aviv central bus station massacre (23 dead)
2003 Tzrifin bus stop attack (9 dead)
2003 Geha Interchange bus stop bombing (4 dead)
2004 Tel Aviv bus stop bombing (1 dead)

... as these attacks weren't actually carried out on the bus.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... de_attacks



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06 Mar 2013, 7:21 am

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1989 Tel Aviv-Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack (16 dead)
1994 Afula Bus suicide bombing (8 dead)
1994 Hadera bus station suicide bombing (5 dead)
1994 Dizengoff Street bus bombing (22 dead)
1995 Kfar Darom bus attack (8 dead)
1995 Ramat Gan bus bombing (6 dead)
1995 Ramat Eshkol bus bombing (4 dead)
1996 Ashkelon bus station bombing (1 dead)
1996 First Jerusalem bus 18 suicide bombing (29 dead)
1996 Second Jerusalem bus 18 suicide bombing (19 dead)
2001 Pardes Hanna bus bombing (3 dead)
2001 Haifa bus 16 suicide bombing (15 dead)
2002 3rd Egged bus 823 bombing (7 dead)
2002 Patt Junction Bus Bombing (19 dead)
2002 Meron Junction Bus 361 attack (9 dead)
2002 Allenby Street bus bombing (6 dead)
2002 Kiryat Menachem bus bombing (11 dead)
2003 Haifa bus 37 suicide bombing (17 dead)
2003 Jerusalem bus 6 bombing (7 dead)
2003 Davidka Square bus bombing (17 dead)
2003 Shmuel HaNavi bus bombing (23 dead)
2004 Gaza Street bus bombing (11 dead)
2004 Liberty Bell Park bus bombing (8 dead)
2004 Tel Aviv bus stop bombing (16 dead)

... 311 fatal casualties (not including the perpetrators) from bus bombings in Israel since 1989... That 38.7 percent of all fatal casualties from Palestinian suicide attacks from 1989 to 2008.

And I am not even counting the bus bombings which only caused injuries or no injuries at all.

Nor did I include the following:

2002 Megiddo Junction bus bombing (17 dead)
2002 Immanuel bus attack (9 dead)
2003 Tel-Aviv central bus station massacre (23)
2003 Tzrifin bus stop attack (9 dead)
2003 Geha Interchange bus stop bombing (4 dead)
2004 Tel Aviv bus stop bombing (1 dead)

... as these attacks weren't actually carried out on the bus.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... de_attacks


There goes your Palestinian. Different mountain, different God.

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06 Mar 2013, 7:49 am

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Evan Eben an Isreali minister early in the history of the State once said: The Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance.
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that does not compute.

if they never miss a chance to "miss a chance", then they always miss a chance. it may be a difficult logical conundrum to consider, but whoever found that statement to be profound has had their thinking caps blown off their heads. "oh my hat!" (so to speak).

it would have been better said "they never miss a chance to exploit a chance", but that does not sound so enigmatic.

i am not courted by enigmatic sounding sentences that dissolve with logical dissemination.



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06 Mar 2013, 8:59 am

b9 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Evan Eben an Isreali minister early in the history of the State once said: The Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance.
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that does not compute.

if they never miss a chance to "miss a chance", then they always miss a chance.

Yes, that's the entire point of the statement. It was likely a reference to the position of PLO and many countries in the Middle East during the 1973 Geneva Conference where they refused to recognize Israel's right to exist (a position which was very likely instrumental in PLO not achieving international recognition).

I believe the original quote was as follows:

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

... yet the meaning remains the same.



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06 Mar 2013, 9:39 am

Bottom line, this sounds like a legitimate security measure.

Remember, if the Palestinians had demonstrated any sort of regard for human life, never mind the lives of their own people, it would be in Israel's interests to HAVE mixed buses, if for no other reason than the Palestinians wouldn't blow up the Israelis if it meant killing their own people too. But the Palestinian's don't have that mentality, so it is necessary to deny them the opportunity to blow themselves up on buses with Israelis aboard.



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06 Mar 2013, 10:50 am

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Bottom line, this sounds like a legitimate security measure.

Remember, if the Palestinians had demonstrated any sort of regard for human life, never mind the lives of their own people, it would be in Israel's interests to HAVE mixed buses, if for no other reason than the Palestinians wouldn't blow up the Israelis if it meant killing their own people too. But the Palestinian's don't have that mentality, so it is necessary to deny them the opportunity to blow themselves up on buses with Israelis aboard.


It doesnt take into account the broader context. If there are several thousand buses operating between Israel and the occupied territories every day, the incidences of bombings constitute a tiny amount of the overall proportion. Moreover it is ignoring the fact that the 2 communities are at conflict with each other, there has to be some onus on Israel on reconcillation. Segregated transport is counterintuitive to that purpose. If John Browning's racist comment is to serve as a microcosm of opinion within Israel it just goes to show that the transport authorities are simply kowtowing to prejudice of the Israeli populace.

During the Irish troubles, I lived close to a police station which was bombed with a similar sort of frequency to the list of bombings above. There was never any proposal of creating 'no-go areas' close to police stations for Irish nationalists which would have been analogous to this.


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06 Mar 2013, 11:41 am

thomas81 wrote:
ScrewyWabbit wrote:
Bottom line, this sounds like a legitimate security measure.

Remember, if the Palestinians had demonstrated any sort of regard for human life, never mind the lives of their own people, it would be in Israel's interests to HAVE mixed buses, if for no other reason than the Palestinians wouldn't blow up the Israelis if it meant killing their own people too. But the Palestinian's don't have that mentality, so it is necessary to deny them the opportunity to blow themselves up on buses with Israelis aboard.


It doesnt take into account the broader context.


The "broader context" is you don't like Israel and you don't like Jews. How is that for context?

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06 Mar 2013, 11:50 am

If the adults could put their hatred for each other aside and let the kids play together there might be a chance for peace in the future.


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06 Mar 2013, 11:51 am

And that is just the sort of thing that likely continues the motivation for extremism on the part of the palestinians.....I mean the way they push them around no wonder their pissed. I will say agian I still think both sides are wrong and should come to terms with that and learn to get along and share the damn land they both live on.

I don't see how people can treat Israel as some innocent nation just trying to survive against all the evil arabs....but perhaps its things like this that keep provoking the 'evil arabs'. I mean yes they proved their point they have a more elite everything and can kick the palestinians ass at will.....would they like a reward?


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06 Mar 2013, 11:55 am

ruveyn wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
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Bottom line, this sounds like a legitimate security measure.

Remember, if the Palestinians had demonstrated any sort of regard for human life, never mind the lives of their own people, it would be in Israel's interests to HAVE mixed buses, if for no other reason than the Palestinians wouldn't blow up the Israelis if it meant killing their own people too. But the Palestinian's don't have that mentality, so it is necessary to deny them the opportunity to blow themselves up on buses with Israelis aboard.


It doesnt take into account the broader context.


The "broader context" is you don't like Israel and you don't like Jews. How is that for context?

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Honestly, take the anti semitism card out of my face. Its getting boring now.

Its long established that even jews are opposed to this s**t.


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06 Mar 2013, 12:05 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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*Sigh* When will Israel and Palestine simply learn to share?


When the Pali-s stop committing murder and show a willingness to leave in peace.

Just recall how quickly the Israelis settled their differences with Egypt.

If the Palestinians could be relied on to stop being murderers there would be peace in under a month.

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Not all palistinians commit murder, so treating them all like murderers is not probably a good thing on Isreals part. If Israel would stop trying to prevent palestinians from having needed resources like water and killing crap loads of civilisans in revenge whenever a palestinian terrorist shoots a make-shift rocket maybe there would be less reasons for palestinians to become extremists/terrorists. Israel is now far to involved in the conflict for it to simply be a matter of palestinians needing to end the conflict. Both sides pretty much have to quit provoking each other to behave like barbarians or the conflict will continue.


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06 Mar 2013, 12:11 pm

bottom line is at the VERY LEAST, Israel needs to withdraw settlers/human shields from Gaza and the West Bank.

The settlements are only growing and Israel of late, is showing absolutely no interest in compromising.


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06 Mar 2013, 12:24 pm

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bottom line is at the VERY LEAST, Israel needs to withdraw settlers/human shields from Gaza and the West Bank.

The settlements are only growing and Israel of late, is showing absolutely no interest in compromising.


Back to the Old Borders? Sure. And they will be attacked for certain. You expect the Jews to conveniently die so your beloved Palestinians can finish wrecking the area.

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