Israeli artists leaving Israel (to Germany!)

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08 Mar 2013, 4:58 pm

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i think Robin Williams put it best in the movie 'the dead poets society'.

"Science, technology medicine etc. are all noble pursuits. They enable us to live. The arts give us a reason to live".


True, and if an artist's work is that good it'll be a self supporting profession.
Paying someone just to play around under the pretense of being an artist just to get paid probably isn't producing much worth looking at.


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08 Mar 2013, 5:02 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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Governments should not be in the business of subsidizing art anyway.



why should they be in the business of subsidizing anything?


That's a good question... :wink:



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08 Mar 2013, 5:05 pm

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True, and if an artist's work is that good it'll be a self supporting profession.
Paying someone just to play around under the pretense of being an artist just to get paid probably isn't producing much worth looking at.


Many, if not most of the world's reknowned artists died in abject poverty. Their masterpieces only appreciated in value posthumously.

Had we taken your logic to its conclusion, art heavyweights like Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe and Oscar Wilde would have been lost to obscurity.

What is Israel's loss could well be Germany's gain, ironically.


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08 Mar 2013, 5:07 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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True, and if an artist's work is that good it'll be a self supporting profession.
Paying someone just to play around under the pretense of being an artist just to get paid probably isn't producing much worth looking at.


Many, if not most of the world's reknowned artists died in abject poverty.

Had we taken your logic to its conclusion, art heavyweights like Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe and Oscar Wilde would have been lost to obscurity.

What is Israel's loss could well be Germany's gain, ironically.


Oh well. We won't miss what we never had.


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08 Mar 2013, 5:09 pm

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Oh well. We won't miss what we never had.


Germany will have it!


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08 Mar 2013, 5:23 pm

Raptor wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
i think Robin Williams put it best in the movie 'the dead poets society'.

"Science, technology medicine etc. are all noble pursuits. They enable us to live. The arts give us a reason to live".


True, and if an artist's work is that good it'll be a self supporting profession.
Paying someone just to play around under the pretense of being an artist just to get paid probably isn't producing much worth looking at.


Untrue. Renaissance artists such as Michelangelo and Da Vinci had been supported by the princess and nobles of their day, and they produced a ton of work. Today, the National Endowment for the Arts keep afloat working, achieving artists.

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08 Mar 2013, 5:25 pm

Raptor wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
i think Robin Williams put it best in the movie 'the dead poets society'.

"Science, technology medicine etc. are all noble pursuits. They enable us to live. The arts give us a reason to live".


True, and if an artist's work is that good it'll be a self supporting profession.
Paying someone just to play around under the pretense of being an artist just to get paid probably isn't producing much worth looking at.


We pay plenty of contractors to do just that. :P



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08 Mar 2013, 5:27 pm

I dont understand the cynicism surrounding the idea of supporting the art community economically.

what do bankers do that is worth paying for?


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08 Mar 2013, 5:27 pm

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Nonsense. The Nazis promoted art. Bad art.

the latter is precisely the point.

They also burnt books.
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They also stole a lot of art.



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08 Mar 2013, 7:45 pm

On top of that, they had destroyed Germany's artistic heritage. Art work associated with post-modernism, surrealism, dadaism, and any of the late 19th and 20th century artistic trends was rounded up by the Nazis and put on public display as Degenerate Art created by Jews (in fact, only a tiny minority of the artists were actually Jewish), then was sold abroad, and the money pocketed by the Nazis. And what replaced it? Sculpture and paintings of naked, muscular men with swords 8O. Many of the German artists who were smart enough, and who had the means, such as George Grozs, had immigrated to America and elsewhere. Many of those who didn't died in concentration camps.

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08 Mar 2013, 7:59 pm

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Israel's economic strength is its technological talent. Israel has one the highest rates a patent production per capita of any country in the world.

By the way, that USB you plugged into your computer was invented by an Israeli.

America leads the world in the production of pizza and movies. Israel is a world leader in technological invention.

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If Israel is so economically strong, how come Americans who are in debt for trillions of dollars, still give Israel at least three billion dollars of aid every year? LINK TO BUSINESS INSIDER

I think you will find most American movies that America leads the world in, are in fact Jewish.

Back on topic, 25,000 Jews have refused a cash offer of up to £30,000 , to move from Iran, to Israel, you cannot even pay Jews to leave Iran for Israel, guess they ar'nt treated as badly as the media would have us believe.

LINK TO GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER



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08 Mar 2013, 8:05 pm

if Israel is so well off, why does it recieve to the tune of $10 000 in aid per Israeli citizen, every year from the USA?


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08 Mar 2013, 8:08 pm

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Israel's economic strength is its technological talent. Israel has one the highest rates a patent production per capita of any country in the world.

By the way, that USB you plugged into your computer was invented by an Israeli.

America leads the world in the production of pizza and movies. Israel is a world leader in technological invention.

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If Israel is so economically strong, how come Americans who are in debt for trillions of dollars, still give Israel at least three billion dollars of aid every year? LINK TO BUSINESS INSIDER

I think you will find most American movies that America leads the world in, are in fact Jewish.

Back on topic, 25,000 Jews have refused a cash offer of up to £30,000 , to move from Iran, to Israel, you cannot even pay Jews to leave Iran for Israel, guess they ar'nt treated as badly as the media would have us believe.

LINK TO GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER


Yeah, but those movie makers are American Jews, right? An American is an American.

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08 Mar 2013, 8:11 pm

maybe i'm being slow but what do american movies have to do with the economic upkeep in Israel?

Granted most of hollywood is likely sympathetic to Israel but thats a tenuous connection.


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08 Mar 2013, 9:01 pm

If I understand the OP's link correctly, some individuals are intereviewed in a (very left-wing) newspaper, that they are moving to another country.

If you look long and hard enough, you might find a few individuals who want to leave the UK, a few who want to leave France, etc. In fact, I seem to recall that a number of artists left the UK in the last few decades. Should we read some great moral failing into the United Kingdom?

Leaving aside the Goodwin's law references, people like to move where the grass looks greener.


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08 Mar 2013, 10:14 pm

thomas81 wrote:
if Israel is so well off, why does it recieve to the tune of $10 000 in aid per Israeli citizen, every year from the USA?


That is not good. U.S. citizens should not be subsidizing other countries.

However, if you look at the thing carefully "aid" to Israel is really a subsidy to U.S. corporations. The Israeli govt uses the money to buy weapons and other strategic material from U.S. corporations.

Even so, this nonsense should end.

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