China beats US in reading math and science!

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19 Mar 2013, 5:49 pm

wéiqí (igo, baduk)

A game 2,500 years old

[img][800:1101]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/FloorGoban.JPG[/img]

If you play this from a young age you will have great mental agility.

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19 Mar 2013, 5:58 pm

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I've heard anecedotally that Asian languages are better structured to handle math than European ones, and that this is somewhat responsible for the stereotype of Asians being good at math. I want to say the example I was shown was that instead of saying "eighty", the Chinese language would say "eight tens", and you can see pretty easily how that would simplify math as it's one less conversion to make in your head. I've also heard that rice farming has created a cultural emphasis on precision, cooperation, and hard work, but again it's anecdotal. Damn fuzzy memory, I'm thinking this might have been something from Malcolm Gladwell or Jared Diamond, but I could have seen it elsewhere.

Hmm... yes and no they have 3 different number systems, or more. The point it is it is challenging, which make it interesting.

Like we used to do a lot of strange base number systems, etc or currencies that were not only not decimal, the units varied. The point this this stretches the mind, and given that it was a necessity, they are learning skill for life. Because not everything is easy, in life, so if you make things easy as soon as a challenge come along they can't do it.

Well, WE still use the old English measurement system (inches, quarts, pounds, etc.)

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19 Mar 2013, 6:24 pm

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Well, WE still use the old English measurement system (inches, quarts, pounds, etc.)

I know it is good.

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19 Mar 2013, 6:30 pm

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Go is amazing.

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19 Mar 2013, 6:41 pm

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Go is amazing.

Do you play? i used to play as a teen, and started playing again recently, mainly because I thought it would be perfect for an ASD friend.

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19 Mar 2013, 6:45 pm

0_equals_true wrote:

"Go" (pronounced like the English word but without the glide we put on the 'o' sound)- invented in ancient China, and played in Korea, and in Japan.

That is an awesome game.
Used to play it with my uncle and other folks at a little local club.

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19 Mar 2013, 7:11 pm

I was aware. the Chinese word for the game is wéiqí pronounced way ch'ee

had it been qi or q'i it would have more a hard 'ki' sound. but wéiqí is more chee, but ti is not soft, but not pronounced with the tongue on the top of the mouth, but forcing the sound through your teeth.

however alternative pronunciation is gway chi, where the ch is more conventional.

So as far as my research has found. :wink:

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19 Mar 2013, 9:31 pm

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0_equals_true wrote:

My favorite board game.

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19 Mar 2013, 10:51 pm

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This year it was the Chinese. Last decade it was the Koreans. The decade before that was the Japanese or Taiwanese. All are still great at math and science, but their gain has never been another's loss, as I am worried this OP is implying.

To me, this is talk of a yellow plague. This theme that little yellow people will overpower the white man has been around since at least 1905, if not longer. I'm sick of it.

Naw its just an obervation and showing how far US is behind other countries when it comes to science mathmatics and reading. Sweden is also far ahead of the US in those categories it just so happens to be China at number one when Americans laugh and underestimates Chinas capabilities.

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20 Mar 2013, 2:43 am

ruveyn wrote:

Its Sputnic all over again.

By the way, the U.S. has always scored low in math and science test competitions. Our elementary schools and not all that good. Fortunately the number of top flight mathematicians and physicists is always small. How many theoretical breakthroughs have the Chinese done lately?

How do the Chinese score in original and creative thinking?

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Just because it's always been like this, doesn't mean it's somehow ok. In fact, that makes it much, much worse than if this was a newer development.
This isn't about original and creative thinking, so why would you even bring it up? It has nothing to do with this topic at all.

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20 Mar 2013, 8:33 am

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So much for "No Child Left Behind." :lol:

China and other Asian countries have cultures that very much value education. The USA: not at all. As most of us who congregate here are painfully aware: someone who does well in an American school is looked down upon as a "nerd." In China, children strive to be "nerds."

Not so fast. The U.S.A. has a lot of subcultures, among them Jewish, Chinese and Japanese where learning and technical excellence is highly valued. Do not think that the WASP-Jock-Countryclub culture is the only culture operating in the United States.

And for goodness sake do not confuse the Jews with the Goyim.

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20 Mar 2013, 8:58 am

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I guess my objection is that commentators on this kind of stuff give China a level of otherness that I am not sure is relevant. In truth, everyone benefits from advancing Chinese math scores. They are part of the advancing global economy as much as we are. Conversely, if the Chinese suffered worse math scores, I am sure we would all be worse off.

I do think, though, that high Swedish scores are a threat to world peace. Sweden is a lovely place to live in, and Swedes are lovely people. But Sweden is so boring. If Sweden dominated the world, it would be a very sad place.

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20 Mar 2013, 9:23 am

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But but Sweden has Pewdiepie!![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1lgOslU2L8[/youtube] :lol:

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20 Mar 2013, 12:15 pm

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Even more amusing is that lots of Chinese students go to the US and to Europe for higher studies.

These universities would run out of money without these foreign students.

Except in some countries like here in Sweden, universities are funded by taxes. All you have to pay for is living costs and litterature.

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20 Mar 2013, 1:00 pm

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0_equals_true wrote:

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Even more amusing is that lots of Chinese students go to the US and to Europe for higher studies.

These universities would run out of money without these foreign students.

Except in some countries like here in Sweden, universities are funded by taxes. All you have to pay for is living costs and litterature.

What is the rate of patent production in Sweden? What have the Swedes invented lately besides the Volva, Saab and Abba?

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20 Mar 2013, 5:28 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Ichinin wrote:

0_equals_true wrote:

Ichinin wrote:

Even more amusing is that lots of Chinese students go to the US and to Europe for higher studies.

These universities would run out of money without these foreign students.

Except in some countries like here in Sweden, universities are funded by taxes. All you have to pay for is living costs and litterature.

What is the rate of patent production in Sweden? What have the Swedes invented lately besides the Volva, Saab and Abba?

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As you know, the US can't buy their scientists forever.

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