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01 Apr 2013, 7:23 pm

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You didn't do independent research, you got information from the mouth of the corrupt, or their news sources.

I've been watching Alex Jones for a long time, and he along with Gerald Celente have predicted many of the things that are now happening.

If you believe the government has your best interest in mind, when they just passed a bill to allow all your food to be GMO; you've got a rude awakening coming.


Every grain eaten now a days is nothing like the original wild strain. All of our grains are hybrid which were selectively bred. That is genetic modification.

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01 Apr 2013, 11:03 pm

Conspiracies are fascinating to read about, as long as you don't take them seriously.

The information offered by these websites are so complex and intricate and overwhelming in size and scope that it is easy to mistake them for anything credible.



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01 Apr 2013, 11:16 pm

A few conspiracy theories have been proven true, i.e. The Gunpowder Plot and the Dreyfus Affair, and more recently, the Tuskegee Experiment.

However, most conspiracy theories are simply paranoid delusions of wingnuts that hate the government more than the average person.


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01 Apr 2013, 11:39 pm

Of course when they bred new grains they did it without injecting fly genes into them...



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02 Apr 2013, 2:19 am

I think Alex Jones generally cares and is passionate about liberty and freedom, but his constant predictions of martial law coming sometimes makes me feel like he enjoys stirring up his fanbase so they can purchase more survival gear.



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02 Apr 2013, 6:49 am

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Whilst no fan of Alex Jones, I prefer Jeff Rense, via which I learnt from inside whistle blowers that the Globalist bankers were about to bring around an economic collapse in order for them to fleece even more money from us via increased debt, the ultimate aim being a Global single currency with them therefore controlling the whole world.


I don't see any evidence to back up this claim.

As for your claim of profit because of conspiracy theorist sites, I call BS. Why? Because you didn't explain exactly how they profited you and how you would've lost money without them. And you didn't demonstrate how people who aren't conspiracy theorists couldn't have come up with whatever predictions you speak of.

And, yes, I am laughing at the ret*d views that you espouse. Because you actually believe some secret organization behind the global scenes is actually trying to control the whole world via such measly means and this is a view that's been going on for decades now, and nothing yet has happened that actually supports your claims.

Exactly like when Christians say every century and decade that Jesus is coming very soon and that the world is at a near end. Yeah, right.



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02 Apr 2013, 8:20 am

Alex Jones is right about one thing, but it isn't exactly a new conspiracy. Rich people do control the world, and act to keep that wealth consolidated amongst a small group of people. Aside from that, it is mostly sensationalist garbage used to sell the many BS products he advertises.

I remember him saying a few times "If you don't believe me, Google it." When I Googled a subject the only links would be Infowars articles. He was essentially saying "If you don't believe me look at MY website as proof." :roll:



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02 Apr 2013, 8:24 am

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Alex Jones is right about one thing, but it isn't exactly a new conspiracy. Rich people do control the world, and act to keep that wealth consolidated amongst a small group of people. Aside from that, it is mostly sensationalist garbage used to sell the many BS products he advertises.

I remember him saying a few times "If you don't believe me, Google it." When I Googled a subject the only links would be Infowars articles. He was essentially saying "If you don't believe me look at MY website as proof." :roll:


Go all the way back to Aristotle and his essay on government -Politicon-. Moderate oligarchies are the most stable mode of controlling and organizing complex states and societies. Tyranny will produce revolt. Democracy is unstable. That leave Oligarchy.

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02 Apr 2013, 5:02 pm

Infowars could potentially be the most under-appreciated work of comedic genius ever. Either that or total garbage. The latter is more likely.

I notice that Alex Jones' fans tend to reference Infowars or Prison Planet web pages to back up... Infowars or Prison Planet claims. Its like having a Christian tell you the Bible is true because it says so in the Bible. Or referencing yourself on your own CV.


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02 Apr 2013, 5:18 pm

Alex Jones is a complete and utter lunatic.



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02 Apr 2013, 10:36 pm

A recent Forbes article just throw another resource into the pot:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/ ... versation/.



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03 Apr 2013, 6:37 am

tasbro wrote:
Alex Jones is right about one thing, but it isn't exactly a new conspiracy. Rich people do control the world, and act to keep that wealth consolidated amongst a small group of people. Aside from that, it is mostly sensationalist garbage used to sell the many BS products he advertises.


Funny about this is that Alex Jones himself isn't exactly what one would call unwealthy and he does have a lot of influence on others... and suuuure he doesn't abuse it. He's the only powerful rich white man who doesn't abuse his power simply because he's leading this infowars network which, as turns out, stops people from thinking on their own just the way overflooding their brains with crappy music videos. Only the latter doesn't transport an ideology. I don't think that does compute.

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I remember him saying a few times "If you don't believe me, Google it." When I Googled a subject the only links would be Infowars articles. He was essentially saying "If you don't believe me look at MY website as proof." :roll:


One should at least expect him to admit how simple it is to censor Google. If the conspiracies he claims were really happening then how come you still can google them? And then, if there aren't any other sources to back these claims, where does the information come from in the first place? It has to come from somewhere but if they can't cite any sources (which is still somehow understandable since they'd put them in danger if any of what they're saying were true) and if google doesn't bring anything up except for the circular proving iw folks do then why do they tell us to google it in the first place?
This whole conspiracy c--p messes with people's brains; they will eventually lose what they claim to own in higher numbers than anybody else: critical thinking.
Just think about it (I hate that phrase, it's mostly pronounced by exactly that kind of people): If the American gouvernment buys ammo to direct at their own people, don't you think they'd hide it better? Buy very little numbers from many and many different producers and never let the total number acquired come to daylight?

(Oops. I notice it looks as if I was accusing you of taking him seriously. Of course this is directed at conspiracists...)

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A few conspiracy theories have been proven true, i.e. The Gunpowder Plot and the Dreyfus Affair, and more recently, the Tuskegee Experiment.


The difference is that these conspiracies were lead by a few people with definite duties and definite positions; performing definite actions to a definite goal. And still, even among those few people at least one couldn't hold silence. Now imagine a whole gouvernment plotting against their own people. Gouvernments don't only consist of delegates and presidents. There's a lot of bureaucracy to handle. Among these there are a lot of civilians. These have families. How would anyone control that none of these bureaucrats will leak even the tiniest bit of what they're doing when they're having dinner? Then there's soldiers and police. Maybe some of them are some kind of elite or special forces but most of them aren't which means they just cannot hide their own being human. The more people are involved the harder it becomes to hide a plot, especially one that doesn't involve a definite goal. "POOOOOWAAAAAAAAAH!! ! UUUUUNNLIMITEEEEEEEEED POOOOOOOOOWWWAAAAAAAAAHH!! !" isn't exactly that. Plus, if they can perform all the actions infowars accuses them of they most certainly already have it. But what to do with unlimited power? Is there anything anybody could do with unlimited power?


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03 Apr 2013, 6:48 am

Supposedly they're going to get a *really* *really* good discount on their ginormous blanket PO. Hope they have a very cool and dry place to store all of that, otherwise it won't be much of a deal.



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03 Apr 2013, 12:31 pm

Alex Jones is an entertainer and businessman first and foremost, he's playing it up for his audience. "Mainstream" media does this on an even grander scale with more nefarious purposes, Alex Jones is mostly just pushing survival gear. You have to have a strong BS filter with all forms of a media. It's easy to dismiss Jones as completely crazy and paranoid, there alternative is much scarier. I think the truth is probably somewhere in between.



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03 Apr 2013, 6:12 pm

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And then, if there aren't any other sources to back these claims, where does the information come from in the first place? It has to come from somewhere but if they can't cite any sources (which is still somehow understandable since they'd put them in danger if any of what they're saying were true)


As I said before, Iam more into Jeff Rense than Alex Jones.
What Jeff Rense offers, is a latest Newsheadlines list from around the world, this does indeed direct a reader to legitimate sources that might have been missed otherwise.

A couple of examples, when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister, he attended a G8 summit in India where he said a lot more power and money needs to be given to the UN so they can act as an international Police Force, to stop any country's from resisting the implementation of "The New World Order".
Now this wasnt printed in any British media, it was reported in the New Zealand Herald, would have been missed if not for the work of the likes of Jeff Rense to bring this to people's attention.
 I actually spoke to a Peeress in the House of Lords about this article and even exaggerated it to find out her view when I asked, "what do the House of Lords think about this article I read in the New Zealand Herald where Gordon Brown wants to relinquish British sovereignty for a Global Government, she said, "we think its a good idea", then went on about how there would be no more wars etc.

Another link was to the major Italian newspaper where its current Prime Minister and ex Italian secret service boss announced that all the worlds security services know full well it was Mossad that did 911.

Another interesting and relevent link is the result of a survey in America, link at that bottom, where you can read such as the following:-

 28% of voters believe secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order. A plurality of Romney voters (38%) believe in the New World Order compared to 35% who don’tAMERICAN SURVEYi



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03 Apr 2013, 6:12 pm

Double post