If God is all loving, why does he want to judge me?

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I never said Yahweh wasn't omni-benevolent. I said that the description of omni-benevolence is flawed. Yahweh cannot be all-loving, for instance, if all-loving means that God must love sin. The Bible describes Yahweh as hating all sin. Therefore the Bible itself acknowledges that God isn't omni-benevolent in that particular sense.

If omni-benevolence is defined by God's attitude towards human beings, then God is all-loving to the point that Jesus experienced death in order to save mankind.

In demonstrating God's all-loving nature, it's important to understand what is meant by omni-benevolence. It is true in one sense but not the other.

Sin and evil don't exist, and evil is simply the absence of good. You could say that an all-loving God can't be all-loving due to not loving nihility, but that's already a limitation of our logic and language rather than God.

I personally believe that God is an abstract force and not a being, so the concept of whether or not God is all-loving is irrelevant. Our paradigm of existence would be incomplete without the 'bad' in the world that exists. I believe that I've had one-with-the-universe experiences before. It's kind of hard to describe what this force is like. It's like the feeling that I get when I lie on my back and watch the clouds in the sky when all around me is silence. I get the feeling that there is much beyond those clouds and that the sky is as deep as infinity. It's peaceful, mysterious, kind of ominous in a way, and it makes me feel small, but it's generally a positive feeling. It doesn't give me the feeling that something as immense as the universe is going to prevent or cause any harm on earth, but I believe that there are many spirits that can and do benefit the world. It's still a positive feeling knowing that I live within the infinite, and can experience the many pleasures that exist under it, as well as infinity itself. Lower levels of existence than infinity have to exist in order to be able to experience and enjoy existence to the fullest. If we only experienced infinity itself, then we would be missing out on the many pleasures of life. The 'bad' that exists within this level of existence is just a side effect of the conditions that need to exist in order for there to be purpose.

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Trying to dodge a lighting bolt?

I enjoy severe thunderstorms. My family takes some comfort in me observing wild storms outside while they stay indoors. It's like I have some kind of calming effect on violent weather or something. The more I chase lightening bolts, the more difficulty it seems I have in getting struck by one.

I'm still here, at any rate. And my statement still stands. Descriptions of omni-benevolence in regards to God are flawed descriptions. If we are to view God as omni-benevolent, then it has to be a character trait that isn't flawed. God can't hate sin and still be omni-benevolent. If we refer to God as omni-benevolent, then it has to refer to some other concept. That's also one of the laws of logic--I THINK it's the law of the excluded middle. A statement cannot be both true and false in the same sense. I've already pointed out one way in which God can be proven to not be all-loving. For God to be described as all-loving, we have to be clear on what that is exactly. I prefer looking at it as God loves all people and shows no partiality, favoring no one above any other.

His divine aim must be a wee bit off these days.



Yes he can: he's God, after all. He can do whatever he wants. If he wants to build a universe so large that even he can't measure it, or fart a fart that is so quiet that even he can't hear it, then he can.

Bible thumpers like the black hebrew Israelites tell me god hates me and I am the devil because I am white! Another reason I no longer go to church lets not mention other idiotic bible thumping hate groups like the westboro baptist church!

If one is to believe in God, I highly recommend steering clear of ALL religions. Also, objectifying God wouldn't be wise.
IF there is a God, then he/she/it would be a sane creator. That said, God wouldn't be punishing anyone, ever. We all have free will. So when something bad happens to good people that doesn't mean God did it. It doesn't mean God took away your loved ones in the car accident, house fire, etc... I don't think God judges us the way so many tend to believe. If we're God's children, then why punish us with an eternity in Hell if we don't live the way God sees fit? Would any good parents ever wish eternal punishment of the worst kind on their children? No, they wouldn't.

As for Christians, it baffles me to believe that the God the bible portrays would ever have a son that is about turning the other cheek.
In fact, the God in the bible seems to be a manipulative, lying, sociopath that plays head games with it's so-called children. I guess the Old Testament doesn't count though, right?

North Korea isn't going to do anything... I laughed after 911, and I was right--nothing happened other than a few anthrax scares that most wouldn't know about had it not been for the media scaring everyone to death. By definition, what the media does more than anything is terrorism. The media thrives on fear, the US government has been wrong each and every time. The US government is incompetent when it comes to everything except policing other countries and taking away liberties--that's our specialty.

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Whether God exists or not, actions carry consequences and don't just remain in a vacuum. People will have to live with the aftershock of ignorant or wise decisions made by those before them.

None of this would be possible without love though, for love, at its core, is based in the interconnectedness of all things, and interconnectedness is why our actions carry consequences that affect others.

Humans regularly project their personal prejudices onto their gods.