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12 Apr 2013, 12:48 pm

God is NOT an explanation for anything.

God is the ABSENCE of an explanation.

Scientist dont "hate god".

Many are even believers in God.


What scientists (believers, or otherwise) ' hate' is using nonexpanations as explanations.

Thus its pointles for even a believer to use god as explanation.



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12 Apr 2013, 12:58 pm

Lol. I suppose the religious folks need to have a consensus about which God they need to convince scientists is the real one true God.



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12 Apr 2013, 1:01 pm

Most scientists are indifferent towards religion and ignore it. Gods are irrelevant for scientific inquiry.

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12 Apr 2013, 2:11 pm

perhaps the question should be "why do religious people hate science?"


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12 Apr 2013, 2:19 pm

Why does thomas81 hate this topic:?



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12 Apr 2013, 2:32 pm

You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.

The film claims however, that for such scientists to admit to such beliefs, and worst to admit so publicly, is an automatic end to their careers as scientists, leading to the conclusion that its not purely the scientists that hate the idea of God, but the big money people that fund the Universities and research projects.

A good example of such insistence of towing the scientific party line, is in the case of the Television presenter, "David Bellamy" who was a very popular Presenter on things relating to Natural History here in Britain.
However, Mr Bellamy refused to tow the line on Global Warming being man-made, and as a result, was dropped by the BBC and has hardly appeared on TV since.


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12 Apr 2013, 2:39 pm

thomas81 wrote:
perhaps the question should be "why do religious people hate science?"


That is easy. It's because a literal interpretation of most religions is falsifiable. Because of science we know a literal reading of Genesis is nonsense.



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12 Apr 2013, 2:40 pm

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Why do scientists hate the idea of God? They strongly object to God as an explanation for anything. They'll accept pretty much any explanation as long as it's not God. They just absolutely hate the possibility of God. Scientists should quit objecting to God.


1. Some scientists are believers. For example the genetics biologist Kenneth Miller. He is a practicing Catholic.
2. Of the scientists that do not believe in god, few -hate- god. They simply have no reason for believing this god exists.
I don't believe the Tooth Fairy exists but I do not hate the Tooth Fairy. Perhaps you mean some scientists are hostile to organized religion. That may very well be the case and they have good reasons for feeling that way, if they do feel that way.

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12 Apr 2013, 2:52 pm

As far as i'm aware the two subjects can co-exist for many people. If any do hate the idea of god, I suppose it's down to the fact that they can spend a lifetime looking for explainations in abstract theory, while others simply label everything as god.



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12 Apr 2013, 2:54 pm

Nambo wrote:
You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.



 


What intelligent designer could have produced the male prostate gland?

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12 Apr 2013, 3:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Nambo wrote:
You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.



 


What intelligent designer could have produced the male prostate gland?

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The human appendix, "wisdom" teeth, human feet (still rather poorly adapted to walking on the ground), the desire for more food than the body needs to survive... If there is a "designer", Somebody who designed the way all this is put together, I think we can still rule out intelligent design.


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12 Apr 2013, 3:43 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Nambo wrote:
You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.



 


What intelligent designer could have produced the male prostate gland?

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The human appendix, "wisdom" teeth, human feet (still rather poorly adapted to walking on the ground), the desire for more food than the body needs to survive... If there is a "designer", Somebody who designed the way all this is put together, I think we can still rule out intelligent design.


Perhaps it was a joke by the designer, make everything look like it wasn't designed. Whales and some snakes with hipbones? Endogenous retroviruses just for kicks. Sperm taking a detour through the belly because the balls aren't connected the right way, that's a laugh. And I bet our designer giggles every time we fall on our tailbone.



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12 Apr 2013, 3:45 pm

Nambo wrote:
You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.

The film claims however, that for such scientists to admit to such beliefs, and worst to admit so publicly, is an automatic end to their careers as scientists, leading to the conclusion that its not purely the scientists that hate the idea of God, but the big money people that fund the Universities and research projects.

A good example of such insistence of towing the scientific party line, is in the case of the Television presenter, "David Bellamy" who was a very popular Presenter on things relating to Natural History here in Britain.
However, Mr Bellamy refused to tow the line on Global Warming being man-made, and as a result, was dropped by the BBC and has hardly appeared on TV since.


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Truth is, scientific dogma is just as much a religion as belief in God, and any heretics will be burnt at the stake.


The scientists in that "documentary" did no such thing. That film is a complete and dishonest hack. The interviewers asked them different questions and then they edited out the actual question they asked to make it look like they were responding to something completely different.



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12 Apr 2013, 3:47 pm

Nambo wrote:
You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.

The film claims however, that for such scientists to admit to such beliefs, and worst to admit so publicly, is an automatic end to their careers as scientists, leading


and YOU should read the web site Expelled Exposed IF you are a sincere seeker of truth. It disgusts me how DISHONEST that film is (as are many if not MOST creationist tactics). Most people who deny the reality of human evolution do so because they have been LIED to by sources they trust, so of course they make bad judgments because the information they base their decision on is WRONG!


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12 Apr 2013, 4:08 pm

Jono wrote:
Nambo wrote:
You might want to see the film/documentary, "Expelled, no Intelligence allowed"

Whilst the film states a lot of scientists do see evidence of intelligent design in the universe, the absolute order in everything out of supposed chaos, it naturally leads them to believe in an intelligent designer.


The scientists in that "documentary" did no such thing. That film is a complete and dishonest hack. The interviewers asked them different questions and then they edited out the actual question they asked to make it look like they were responding to something completely different.


This is very similar to the well-known creationist practice of "quote mining." That is where a creationist will take something a scientist or somebody famous has said out of context in such a way as to imply that the person means the OPPOSITE of what they really say when one reads the quotation in its original context.

The "talk origins" web site has a "quote mine project" page that may be a few years old, but it was noteworthy because every example they gave (and there were many) showed how blatantly dishonest the creationists were when they did this. It makes me wonder if the creationists who do this are truly that stupid to not realize what they are doing, batshit crazy, or deliberately trying to deceive people because they figure if it brings people to Jesus a little deception is okay? Except it is not a little deception. It is blatant misrepresentation of what people say....LIES!


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12 Apr 2013, 5:18 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
... It makes me wonder if the creationists who do this are truly that stupid to not realize what they are doing, batshit crazy, or deliberately trying to deceive people because they figure if it brings people to Jesus a little deception is okay...

All throughout Christian history, people have believed that even the most heinous of atrocities were not crimes or sins if they were committed in Jesus' name. Why should a modern-day "Christian" behave any different?