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Is corporal punishment abuse or a valid option?
Abuse, always and without exception 39%  39%  [ 32 ]
Abuse if used on special needs kids, sometimes ok for typical kids 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
It depends on the child, the parent and the circumstances, but it's best to avoid it 28%  28%  [ 23 ]
It's perfectly ok to use although it can be abused just like any other technique 17%  17%  [ 14 ]
Abuse for special needs kids but always ok for others 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Not abusive to any kid and it's not used enough in todays society 8%  8%  [ 7 ]
I didn't know this was about spanking kids, I though this was a kinky thread 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
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15 Apr 2013, 9:20 pm

It's perfectly ok to use although it can be abused just like any other technique.


My old man made us feel like we got off easy after he spanked us.

"Grand-dad would've used a razor strap on you just like he used to with me", he'd say or "those were only love taps compared to what your grand-dad would do to you".


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15 Apr 2013, 10:23 pm

My dad used it as a way to take out his frustration I suspect. My dad is suspected by my family to be autistic; he gets angry easily. He did it because Hubbard had some sh***y lecture where he said spanking was ok. I'd say it didn't work. I have never stopped braking rules. I recently got expelled from a private school I'd been going to school my entire life because of my rule braking. Why I do it is off the topic of the thread. The point is I don't listen and trust the authority and I was spanked as a child.
I'm good with children. I've babysat, been a daycare worker and helped raise my little brother. I've had children get frustrated many times. They need time to think straight, but telling them that won't help. Never tell an angry person the truth. You need to say whatever necessary to get them to chill. It often involves lying. when they come out of the cloud of anger they'll realize what you did and be in a mindset to reckon with. Spanking was derived from the anger of the caretaker, and you cannot fight anger with anger. It's like drinking to get rid of a hangover. I understand it isn't done with anger often any more, but that's where it came from.
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16 Apr 2013, 6:35 am

GGPViper wrote:
WHAT THIS STUDY ADDS: With controlling for the child’s initial
level of aggression, demographic features, and 8 potential
parenting risk confounders, which to our knowledge have not
previously been controlled simultaneously, more-frequent use of
CP increased the risk for higher levels of child aggression.
"

(My emphasis added).

In other words. Corporal punishment of children isn't just ineffective. It is counterproductive...


Here is one major problem: some parents may wish to maintain a calm, nonviolent household.

Then, the child goes to school, and has to deal with overly-aggressive children from violent households.

In some cases, the children will bring some of the bad attitudes, learned from aggressive children in school, home with them.

It can take quite a lot of effort to end a cycle of violence.

Some parts of the country are more violent towards children than others.

Another factor that feeds into the problem is the nation's poor diet, which emphasizes sugars and cheap carbohydrates, which damage both body and mind. We have an epidemic of both obesity and violence, fueled in part by high-fructose corn syrup.



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16 Apr 2013, 6:41 am

AngelRho wrote:
...by 8 years regular patterns of behavior should be well-established such that....


Just wait until the hormones start to take over, some five years later.



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16 Apr 2013, 6:46 am

AngelRho wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
If you think it's ok to spank then what restrictions would you put on it, ie; as punishment for what,

Gross disobedience/defiance, situations that put the child or others in danger, other situations in which other forms of punishment would be impossible or too delayed to be effective.

....I just don't see the point of spanking a 14-year-old.


Sometimes, all that is needed is a big hug, or possibly a severe tickling. But, alas, these measures also lose their effectiveness by the age of 14.



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16 Apr 2013, 7:21 am

I was spanked infrequently as a child. It doesn't work as discipline any better than non-violent methods, imo. Spanking with a hand is mostly harmless, but using belts etc, are potentially damaging. If I had kids, I wouldn't spank because there are better ways.

Spanking for adults is highly commended, however.


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16 Apr 2013, 7:25 am

puddingmouse wrote:
Spanking for adults is highly commended, however.


Christian discipline?



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16 Apr 2013, 7:42 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
...by 8 years regular patterns of behavior should be well-established such that....


Just wait until the hormones start to take over, some five years later.

Hey, I was a teenager once. I know how this works.

Sure, hormones are initially a bump in the road. But there are any number of bumps in the road prior to. As a parent you handle it same as anything else. If the playing field changes due to the natural course of development, it's just a matter of monitoring the behavior and adjusting the methods. Nobody ever said this was easy.

Personally, I would say you're a prime candidate for someone who should NOT spank children. I'm not sure you could handle the temptation!

I'm not opposed to paddling in high school, which seems to be your particular area of interest...I just don't much see the point.



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16 Apr 2013, 9:04 am

AngelRho wrote:
Personally, I would say you're a prime candidate for someone who should NOT spank children. I'm not sure you could handle the temptation!

I'm not opposed to paddling in high school, which seems to be your particular area of interest...I just don't much see the point.


If you know any college cheerleaders in need of a spanking, then just send them my way. :wink:

Certainly high school girls have cute bottoms, and the southern principals who love to swing a paddle, and the cute little southern belles themselves, all seem to be into it. But, it seems to be too much of an abuse of authority. I certainly wouldn't want to lay a finger on anyone younger than that.



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16 Apr 2013, 10:06 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Personally, I would say you're a prime candidate for someone who should NOT spank children. I'm not sure you could handle the temptation!

I'm not opposed to paddling in high school, which seems to be your particular area of interest...I just don't much see the point.


If you know any college cheerleaders in need of a spanking, then just send them my way. :wink:

Certainly high school girls have cute bottoms, and the southern principals who love to swing a paddle, and the cute little southern belles themselves, all seem to be into it. But, it seems to be too much of an abuse of authority. I certainly wouldn't want to lay a finger on anyone younger than that.


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16 Apr 2013, 10:15 am

Nah...violence is good.

Personally, I believe cutting off a toe is most effective. :twisted:



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16 Apr 2013, 10:37 am

CSBurks wrote:
Nah...violence is good.

Personally, I believe cutting off a toe is most effective. :twisted:


I bet you're ironizing the situation. :roll:



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16 Apr 2013, 11:13 am

Tequila wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Spanking for adults is highly commended, however.


Christian discipline?


Nah, I don't like to wait until either I or my partner have done something wrong.

Plus, I don't want to think about a deity getting off on watching...


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16 Apr 2013, 11:35 am

^ Nah, God and I had an abusive relationship in the past. Don't want him around.


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16 Apr 2013, 12:19 pm

BeautifulTechno wrote:
CSBurks wrote:
Nah...violence is good.

Personally, I believe cutting off a toe is most effective. :twisted:


I bet you're ironizing the situation. :roll:


How did you guess?



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16 Apr 2013, 9:09 pm

I know that as a kid I always wished my parents would spank me as opposed to grounding me, because spanking was only a few seconds whereas grounding was days, or even weeks on end and childhood is fleeting.

Plus, parents are more hesitant to spank. I can only remember two times I got spanked: once for lying and once for kicking my dad in the crotch. Both times I deserved to be punished. However, my parents would ground me just for the sake of grounding me. (They have since told me that a: they knew I didn't do anything to deserve to be grounded and b: they feel no guilt about what they did and will never, ever apologize.)When I first say Butter's parents on southpark I didn't get the joke right away because I thought that was normal parent behavior.

However, I guess grounding is a more effective punishment since it's worse, and not all parents would take my parent's approach to it. Plus, living with parents who spank for no reason would be pretty scary.