Ohio Catholic schoolteacher fired for being gay

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I would like to see how these right wing loonies would react if they got fired for being aspies. That would be really interesting! I can already imagine, in their minds, the mix of profound anger at the employer and at the same time the negation of these (legitimate) feelings as being against what they believe.

It's funny that the right wing propaganda can turn people against their own best interests and rights.

Which right wing aspie has applauded the firing?

Nice try.

Oh I get it.
Dummy me, I guess my comment about the employer having the right to terminate someone was seen as homophobic since it didn't include the seemingly obligatory little rant about the injustice of it all.
My bad.

Rap. You win the Droll Award, hands down!

At first it sounded like you said "Troll Award".
I've been nominated for lots of those by our more liberal brethren here.

Well, that's a more decent reply, although still missing the point. I was wondering how would you solve the conflict in your head between believing that private business have the right to discriminate against aspies and the hate you would feel towards the employer for being discriminated against for being an aspie. It's a very curious question which has an interesting outcome either way you solve that conflict. Now, how would you respond to it?

Damn, I was hoping for some anger or a least a little butthurt over my smug condescension. I must be slipping.
Anyhoo:
1. I wouldn't tell my employer I have Asperger's because they have no need to know about that and I'd just be potentially handing them ammo to use against me.
Call it paranoia or cowardice but I don't trust bureaucrats with information that can be turned against me.
2. My point was that I shouldn't have to criticize or promote current law when I state what that law is.

Lets adress point 2 with a quote from a man nicknamed Raptor: "Being a private school they can do that. Period." Anyone with more than 2 brain cells can tell that you support the right for private schools to discriminate against gay people.

About point 1, you're just avoiding my question with a lame excuse. It's obvious that the employer could find out that about you and fire you because of that. But that's not the point. The point is to put yourself in the same situation as the gay teacher mutatis mutandis. How would you solve the emotional conflict in your mind?

Incorrect. Certain actions would be contrary to common decency. Private property, on the other hand, is clearly not.

It is usually not in a businesses best interest to discriminate.

Right wing loonies? You know who starts their arguments with personal insults? People without a very good argument to follow up with, people with no self control, and children. Given what follows, I'm going to guess the first one is most applicable.

I happen to think it's perfectly fine for an employer to fire a worker for damn near any reason, because I don't see the "purpose" of the employer as providing jobs, they're under no obligation to hire or retain any particular person. Were I to be fired for being "aspie", I would view it in exactly the same way I'd view being fired over a personality conflict; unfortunate, but that's life. I've certainly quit jobs because I didn't like the people there, and I wouldn't begrudge an employer the right to terminate people they didn't like or get along with for any reason, that's part of being a business owner, getting to choose your employees.

Why do you think it's better to approach this situation with emotion rather than reason? Do you think feelings lead to superior conclusions to thinking? If your position needs an emotional distraction to seem like a good idea, than maybe it's not actually such a good idea after all...

As to rights and interests, lets start with rights. Do you have a right to a job? A right to a particular job? A right to force someone to hire and retain you against their will? Where are you getting the idea that you have such a right? Does opening a business deprives someone of their freedom of association? So many questions!

As to interests, what you're failing to grasp is the concept that people might see their interest differently than you do, and that they might be right.
Perhaps it's you who should lay off the propaganda...

Where are you getting this thing about gay people and aspies?
Inquiring minds want to know.


sigh......
How could my employer find out about me having Aspergers? I'm not on record ANYWHERE as having it and even if I was there is no national aspie registry to find me on. I act fairly neurotypical since that's the world I need to function in.
When in Rome.

My point stands that an employer can dismiss someone for whatever reason. Best advice is not to give them a reason, good or bad. It won't get any better than that any time soon.

Only if you are discriminating. Discrimination is a violation against humanity.

Evidence? Anything at all beyond a naked assertion of personal morality?

An Evidence that discriminated people are humans? O_o So I do belive that you think of yourself of a human, so whatever evidence you see that you are yourself a human, you can use the same evidence for ever other person. Discrimination is always affecting a human person, may it be male, female, white, brown, black, red, yellow, whatever nonsense differences people think of. All of this are humans as you are. So as discrimination is always affecting a human, its a treat to all humans. If you dont care, that discriminty is treating you, its ok. We will stand up for your rights as well.

Well, I certainly see who's emotional here. You didn't even understand what the right in question is.

But lets go point by point. People who start arguments with insults obviously can have a solid argument. If you've ever been at a protest or strike, you'll see people insulting the government or big corporations. That doesn't mean they don't have arguments.

You prove one of my points (either way you choose a solution to the emotional conflict, I prove one of two points), namely that right wing propaganda puts people defending what is against their best interest (and in favor of the interest of the person with power: the boss). Very interesting phenomenon to see propaganda at work. This same paragraph goes to Raptor, since he chose the option of defending the person with more power instead the one with less, namely himself.

(As an aside, I really have my doubts that you guys would react as well as you are saying you would, being put in the real situation)

As I said before, I'm not the one who's emotional here.

Yes, I have a right to a job because I agree with the declaration of the Human Rights, in particular, article 23. The remaining questions make no sense. What I'm discussing is the right of not being discriminated against, not the right to have the job that I chose at a particular company of my liking. I don't think anybody who's not a communist defends that. And I'm not a communist.

Well, I think it's common sense that the interest of a person who is working in a place they like is not to get fired. Please, enlighten me as why this is wrong.

As for propaganda, I did none. All I did was mention the lunacy of right wing. You feel opressed as if I'm spreading propaganda here?