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I'm interested in those three felonies, too. If I'm up to no good, I'd like to know about it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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A law professor by the name of Harvey Silverglate is the generally considered the originator of the idea, here's the Amazon to his work:

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Da ... 1594035229

The law you're most likely to be breaking day to day is the federal Deprivation of Honest Services Statutes, which if interpreted broadly (which they have been), make it a felony to slack off at work, among other things. Some of the cyber law is crazy too, like if link to a site that links to a site that links to a site that is considered to be "supporting terrorism" (speaking of overly broad statutes...), you can be charged with supplying material aid to terrorists. It's happened before.

In the grand tradition of PPR; Evidence, please?

SMH..The things some people fall for and believe. No wonder people like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones are so easily able to get rich off of Americans. Alex Jones still has people sending him money because he talks about some 1992 United Nations BS that has nothing to do with the United States but he has people convinced that that information means we are no under control of the UN. Not to mention the bookd full of Alex Jones predictions that have failed to come true, yet people continue to send him that monthly fee to see his BS conspiracy theory rants every month.

Ditto Glenn Beck and the subscribers who send him $9.95 a month to see the pure unadulterated idocy taht comes out of his delusional, drug warped mind. There is no end to the gullability of people these days

This is a fallacy. Just because your situation is grand doesn't mean it all is. I'm no fan of Glenn Beck and Alex Jones either, but the fact is, the America you older generations are handing to us youngsters is crap, and it's not because of our own ignorance. It's because of the older generations' lack of foresight and inability to imagine anything outside of their own experience.

Your social security crack is illustrative of this. Until I joined the workforce at 16, I was under the impression that like my granddad and my dad, I would be able to retire, thanks to social security. I've been paying into that system for nearly a decade, and while you all get to benefit from it, my money is going to basically vanish into thin air. Meanwhile, you sit back and say "It's fine because I won't be affected." Meanwhile, I say better not to have the system at all and let me shove that cash into my mattress (I'll likely get more out of it that way). If social security gets wrecked, I've been robbed. So no, everything is not fine.

Why the rant? It's your whole argument. I'm fine, so we're all fine. And everyone who disagrees is an Infowars-worshiping lunatic. That's simply not true.

There are major differences between now and thirty or forty years ago especially related to the war on drugs or money laundering.

Thirty or forty years ago, you could carry large amounts of cash with you and nobody paid much attention. Try that today and it will likely be confiscated by the police under the assumption that it must have something to do with drugs. There have been instances of the thresholds for police confiscating cash as low as $100 for blacks pulled over on the interstate in Florida or as low as $50 for black teenagers in Louisiana under the assumption that they must be planning to buy drugs.

I suspect that in another ten to twenty years, you may not even be able to carry cash at all -- you will use something like a debit card for everything so that the government can track 100% of your spending.

Thirty or forty years ago, you could open a bank account without it being reported to the Federal government. Not today.

Deposit too much cash in your account -- it gets reported to the government. Thirty or forty years ago, it wasn't. Try to structure your deposits so that they don't get reported to the government and you can go to prison even though you have committed no crime at all.

Carry too much cash out of the country without declaring it? Go to prison. A few years ago, a well known dinosaur hunter tried leaving the country for a dinosaur hunting expedition in South America with enough cash to mount the expedition. He spent something like two years in a Federal prison for that even though there was no hint, much less proof, that the money had anything to do with drugs or that he was laundering money.

The War on Terrorism brought in a number of restrictions. Want to fly somewhere? You now have to go through a line where you may be groped. And they now have a no-fly list -- if someone is on it with the same or a similar name, you are likely to be denied the right to travel, at least by flying.

There are many complaints about people trying to earn a living running chartered fishing operations. Supposedly, undercover agents will sign on for a fishing trip with the purpose of looking for any violation they can use to close the operation down and put them out of business.

How about kids being expelled from school for having a toy gun, or drawing a toy gun, or using their fingers to create a rough image of a toy gun, or wearing a t-shirt with a firearm manufacturer's name on it? Thirty or forty years ago, nobody would have even believed that could happen.

When I was a kid, I could walk into the local farm store and buy all the ammo I could afford. An adult could walk into a firearms shop and buy rifles, shotguns, and handguns without the store having to ask permission from the government to sell it to them.

And that's just a start.

In the United States today, you have far less freedom than you would have had thirty or forty years ago.

Are you actually going to address anything that's been said, or are you just going to keep going on about Alex Jones and Glenn Beck. whom no one in the thread save you have mentioned?

Were a now banned member named Inuyasha still here, he'd be having a grand mal seizure about now, as he would scream through his keyboard how at least Glenn Beck is infallible and how all Beck's critics are wrong and evil.
I say this about him, while he and I were more or less friendly rivals.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Sigh............
I can see we have a real winner here.
I don't even know where to start with this one.

When did Inuyasha get banned, and what for? I remember him being dense and annoying, but IIRC he wasn't exactly a rule breaker, more like a punching bag for people who were actually breaking rules.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf217508-0-30.html

This thread seems to have been his demise but there is no definite mention of banning, just suspension.
There are not posts from Inuyasha after the date of this thread.

Well, I jumped the gun on using the word banned. Just the same, I don't expect him to return here from exile.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

When I was talking about 20-30 years ago and now I was referring to me specifically. None of those new restrictions apply to me as I dont give police any reason to even l;ook at me> I wont even drop a gum wrapper on the ground. I dont need to fly anywhere. I dont even carry an ID when I do venture out of my apartment. I dont do anything to attract attention to myself. I am not Inyousha or whatever name people keep repeating, but I used to know a guy like that. Water coller gossip, drama queens. Megalomaniacs. Self aggrandizing, pretentious busybody. He was security guard at a flea market. Went out and bout himself a fake badge, always talking in a big booming voice with his head tilted back, his fat gut poking the world in the face. Never shut up, from morning to dawn. Drove around in an old blue pinto with the front passenger seat pulled out so his doberman could accompany him on all his adventures Followed random people around town taking pictures and videos and recording their voice. Real psychopath.

bleh, bleh, bleh

People who cloister themselves naturally won't notice the erosion in civil liberties...

Generally speaking, privacy rights have been eroded, workers' rights have been eroded, there is no more right to protest, the police has been transformed into a paramilitary force, an entire city was treated like a prison (lockdown is a prison term for forcing everyone in their cells during a disturbance)... this is just a start. The fuzz have taken to burning people alive rather than risk take casualties, the same "force protection" obsession that infested the military... kill everyone else to reduce risk to the troops. In this way, treating civilians in one's own country as an enemy under occupation.

What about the police robbing people in broad daylight to fill their coffers for the sake of their budget. They tell people that if they don't sign their cash over to them the cash will be forfeited civilly, allowing it to be stolen, and it will be considered drug money and the person will be charged with a drug offence. The person must prove the money is "innocent", so people usually sign the money away. There's no legal aid in such cases, the money seized is usually less than what they'd pay a lawyer, thus causing them to fold and accept the robbery... these "civil forfeitures" have become essential parts of the police budget.

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That description doesn't really fit Inuyasha. Rather, he was absolutely certain his right wing ideals were without error, that Republicans never do any wrong, or that the banks and Wall Street were free from guilt in regard to the near economic collapse and the swindling of the poor. He could argue mere mortals into near unconsciousness, and could be very irritating. Like I said - I kinda liked the guy, regardless.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Oh, I protest. I send emails to my local representatives, insulting them, calling them names, cursing at them. My congressman has a local office 200 yar5ds from my door and I walk by his office all the time in the middle of the night on my walks. He returns my mails with meaningless form letters but never addresses my emails or insults. I used to go to protests when the first Bush invaded Iraq but people just drove by and threw garbage at us. I do my protesting from home now. Hoping they dont get tired of me and attack my disability check