What is your favorite president/PM in your lifetime?

Post Reply New Topic

In order:
Brown
Cameron
Blair

Unranked: Major

Cameron deliberately sabotaged democratic reform because he thought it would benefit his party. Ironically it will probably cost his party the next election and the balance of power, and with it, his leadership.

Blair declared war on Iraq.

Brown wins almost by default. In his favour: highest rate of tax on top earners, minimising the impact of the banking crisis.

Civil rights would have come about one way or the other without LBJ. Do you really think that from his era until the present things would have remained the same?
What is for certain is that an entire region of the United States was lost to the Republicans because of the direction he took the Democratic party in.
Only a few southeastern states are blue and that could easily change since both have a strong conservative undercurrent running in them.


As a liberal, what can you love about Obama? He's bailed out your mortal enemies (big business) and we're still at war and with him out looking for more wars to get us into. Is it just because you think his heart is in the right place?
And before you go there, I did not love George W.

Johnson lost. We still have poverty and our society is not all that Great.

Really? How much better of are the Black folks?

And killing 50,000 Americans so that Black folks could vote? What kind of a prices is that to pay?

ruveyn

Blacks are considerably better off than they had been. And 50,000 dead? Are you confusing Johnson for Lincoln?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Perhaps civil rights for black Americans would have been attained without Johnson, but it would have been later. Remember, Johnson's advisers (who had largely been Kennedy's) had warned him that while civil rights was a good cause, they had thought it was also a lost one. Johnson did the right thing and championed civil rights, anyhow.
As for losing the south to the Republicans - that would have happened anyhow, considering the extent of institutional and personal racism among so many southern whites at the time. But why should you of all people seem to be upset over the loss of the south to the Dems?
And in closing, regardless of of Obama's failings, he still has championed gay rights and healthcare. And why do you think I hold saving the economy against him? My only criticism about that is that Obama hadn't had the perpetrators of the near ruination of the economy arrested and prosecuted.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Brown followed by Major.

It happened because the democratic party went from being a ally to the working man (an ambiguous term) to a progressive peacenick movement that exceeded what too many of the democratic party's followers at the time would accept.


Under other circumstances I may very well have been a democrat but that's not what I meant. I meant that it should have been seen as a loss to you since that voter base went to the republicans, maybe never to return. Oh well, you got Florida's 33 electoral votes so I guess that's good enough to get the job done.....


His healthcare plan is a train wreck that hasn't even left the rail yard yet.
As for gay rights, you live in Washington so you could have a gay wedding without Obama's help.


SAVED, do you live in a shell?

Good luck finding the actual perpetrators and making it stick. It would be a which hunt at best and some of yours might wind up being burned at the stake since the left has sabotaged the economy with big government interference for decades.

I find it strange that the liberals, peaceniks that they claim to be, aren't up in arms about this administration's perpetuation of war. During the Bush administration the streets were slick with liberal tears of anger over the war but the day Obama took office it was like a ball valve being closed all the sudden.
Guess it all just depends on what side of the bread your butter is on.

There has always been poverty,there always will be.

In Australia it was Gough Whitlam PM from 1972-1975.

His government did such things as:
-- Pull the rest of our troops out of Viernam.
-- Quashed all convictions under the National Service Act (conscription), which by the way kept me out of gaol.
-- Recognised China.
-- Supported Equal Pay for Women.
-- Got rid of the death Penalty for federal crimes.
-- Enacted Medibank (universal Health care)
-- abolished university fees, which meant I could afford to get a degree.

And a lot more which really upset the conservatives here. They were exciting times.

Losing the south would have been inevitable. And as they represented the conservative wing of the Democratic party, with it's support of segregation, it's for the best.
The working class had never been thrown over for the peace-nicks. Rather, the Democrats had remained pro-union while embracing the peace movement at the same time. While many working stiffs during the Reagan years might have switched parties, many others, like my Dad, had not. And incidentally, I don't buy for a minute that it was for this reason why the south was lost. It had everything to do with Democrats embracing civil rights, and the Republicans siding with the pro-segregationist element, staring with Nixon's Southern Strategy.
As for who would have swung over nearly wrecking the economy - maybe some on the left had enabled the perpetrators, but those actually guilty were and are on Wall Street.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

In continuation of my last response to Raptor -

Obamacare doesn't even really kick in till 2014. Kinda premature to call it a train wreck yet.
And in regard to gay rights - without Obama's election, and his taking a stand for gay rights by ending DADT and his promise to rid the country of DOMA, he obviously had led the way. Without Obama's stand, my state of Washington might not have gay marriage today.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Can't we all give it up for Ladybird ?The work she did with the wildflowers,better than any war.
I heard a alternative country song about LBJ,that he would always be remembered for the war in Vietnam,not his war on poverty.I wish I could remember who did it.
And my fav Prez,give it up for the homeboy,Clinton.
The joke here was we sent him to DC to get him out of Ark,I think the menfolk were worried about their wives. He was known to be frisky.

It’s like talking to a brick wall.


And I said it’s a train wreck that hasn’t left the yard yet. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together can see it’ll be a disaster.

I wouldn’t be surprised if at least DADT goes away during some future administration.


I don’t see why not; the voters voted to approve it last year.

Then a brick wall I am.
As for Obamacare - it's a train wreck only if you get your facts from Fox.
And again on gay marriage and other rights - it might not have been passed in Washington had Obama not led the way - no matter how quietly. Remember, Lincoln hardly appeared to be a fire breathing abolitionist for most of his term as President, but he had gradually led public opinion in abolition's favor. Just because Obama hadn't openly promoted gay marriage at the time (originally in fact officially opposing it), his actual views were well known. After all, state and local Democrats with Obama's blessing had championed gay rights.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

/\ You give Lincoln too much credit. The average American in the Union states was much more for preserving the Union than abolition.
We've already had that discussion, though.