All the problems with Christianity

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They conveniently blame the snake for the fall.Oooh,that mean ol' snake made me do it.
It didn't make them steal that fruit and indulge,they had free will.This has led to lots of snake bashing by Christians.

Wrong.

It was "reasoned" that there were witches in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 & 1693. Over two-dozen people died because their accusers "reasoned" that that they had consorted with the Devil, cast spells that killed livestock, damaged crops, and caused seizures, miscarriages, stillbirths, and birth defects. They also "reasoned" that whatever the accused said or did, it was proof positive that they were indeed witches, and that it was God's will that they should die.

Over two-dozen innocent people were put to death over nothing more than superstition, paranoia, jealousy, greed and mass hysteria - what Christians call "Reason".

There was one part of my video that I didn't type out on here. Basically, humans don't think the same way calculators and computers do. You see, calculators and computers receive inputs, usually electrical, and do a series of operations on them to get an output. If the input into a calculator is 2+2, it will add them together with an electrical circuit and get 4. But it doesn't understand the concept of numbers and addition; it doesn't understand what it means to put two groups of things together and get one larger group. It's just a circuit. This is the evidence I was talking about that we know even though we can't see it: We don't just do math, science, and logic, we understand what it means. That kind of understanding is what I was talking about.

Main problem I have with "Christianity" as practiced, as that its not Christianity, its Pagan Sun Worship that used Jesus name and gives true Christianity a bad name as it sweeps the world with the bloody sword of conversion and colonialism.

Whereas Jesus said he was the son of God, was born in October, and warned against unclean worship.
Christianity worships Tammus the Sun god who killed his Father, married his own Mother the fertility goddess Easter, (think Easter eggs and Easter bunnies), and became his own Father which is why "Christians" are so obsessed with the non Biblical Trinity.

Tammuz was born on December 25th, he was worshiped with a sacred "T" which looks just like the "Christian" cross in fact, see the pictures in THIS LINK

truth15ful, that gets into a deeper question, but..... yes, human beings DO a LOT of work like calculators do in many many instances. If you don't agree with this, then you're not challenging me, you're challenging the discipline of neuroscience

Now the whole issue of deeper understanding, even if true, doesn't mean we should be able to calculate anything instantly. Even further, the matter of deeper understanding is a matter debated among philosophers of mind, but it's not clear to them that human beings cannot be very complicated computers. Especially given that the sort of dualism you're looking for does not seem to have a clear place in the neuroscience for how the brain works. So, I mean, either we have this immaterial self, in which case we have to really work hard to understand how a split-brain case can work, OR we have some supernatural module which then seems ad hoc and not very special, or we stick to a more naturalistic explanation. It seems to me that Occam's razor tends to tell us NOT to multiply objects.

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Nambo: This I agree with. There is a man named Mark Fairley who made a fantastic series of videos about the progression of paganism throughout history, even into the Christian church. Here's the link in case you're interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDDGl79x ... 61662866BD
But there is of course a true Christianity as well as a pagan corruption of it.

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You're forgetting one thing: If we do have understanding and not just knowledge, it seems that there would be no computation to be done. Think of it this way: What happens when we solve a problem? Let's use my old example, 18142+14211=32353. If you did that problem in your head or on paper, do you gain any understanding about mathematics? Do you learn more about what a number is or haow to add two of them together? Of course not. You already know all of that. You gain nothing but the knowledge of one obscure, 5-digit addition problem.
That's the point. You already know everything you need to know to find the answer, but somehow it takes you a minute to find it. This means that you don't really have that understanding, and since you don't have it, it has to be because of someone else, a higher power if you will, that you can do mathematics at all. I hope this explanation makes a little more sense.

No, because it utterly ignores my earlier point. 2+2 vs 18142+14211 do not require the same level of computation. 2+2 is easier than 18142+14211 and involves less steps to calculate. This kind of problem solving DOES involve computation. It's 100% computation what my brain is doing at this time.

The time it takes is the time taken to do a calculation, and ANY system of calculation will take more time to do things more complicated. I already gave you examples from how computers work. The issue being that if we should expect a certain computer program with certain limitations to have the same kinds of delay, and computers do NOT actually require a higher power to perform computational tasks(rather they are the result of electronics and logic gates) then your argument fails. In fact, in light of that kind of information, it sounds sort of silly.

Do you not understand that computationally more difficult tasks will logically require more steps and thereby take more time, even if the process is already known and as such no learning is required? Once you realize that, your argument seems absurd. This expectation is exactly what we'd expect from a physical brain.

The only out I'm seeing is that you think that our understanding is fundamentally different than a computer's.
1) No opponent is going to grant this starting premise. Metaphysical naturalists do believe that the brains workings are best explained by neuroscience, and they do have reasons to push down that path.
2) If this is true, what do the neurons of the brain exist to do? These neurons, as a matter of facts and not just speculation, exist to perform computational problems. If you deny the existence of computational problems, then what role does or can the physical brain play. I'll tell you right now that the brain actually DOES do computational problems, that mass of meat IS essential, and any claim otherwise is absurd.
3) Even if it was fundamentally different that does not require that it's processes should be instant. You have given no reason to expect it to be instant, nor have you given any reason to think that the reason it isn't instant must be a god.

In short, you don't actually even have the beginnings or basics of a good argument. You may have a good argument if you focused on another tack somewhere, but the time to calculate 2+2 vs 18142+14211 is nonsense.

That is the weakest and worst "argument" that I've ever come across for the existence of a god. If that's all you've got I'd give it up as a lost cause. BTW you never did pick up on evolution in my earlier post. You seem to have been talking about the biblical version of the creation of mankind as though it was real rather than the myth it is known to be. It doesn't matter how scholars debate that biblical myth or the myths about Zeus or Odin... it doesn't make them real. Evolution is a FACT it is REAL.

I think only a minority of Christians disbelieve evolution. Most mainstream churches seem to view large parts of the bible as metaphors.

My major problem with Christianity comes down to
Omniscient deity + suffering children

How can you give the thumbs up to that?
You would think at the very least there would be a few lightning singed Catholic priests.

Yes indeed. You'd expect a bolt of lightning to hit their... ahem... "lightning rod" when they whipped it out to bugger choirboys.

It was God who lied, not the snake. See Genesis 2-3.

To the OP,

You have no evidence. Using Hitchens' razor--that which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

I am going to make this as logical as possible:


If we were created perfectly in the image of God, then why were we capable of sinning and messing everything up in the first place? If your answer is that we were tricked by an evil talking snake, then please answer why God put the snake there in the first place.

It is amazing how many people miss the fact that it was God who lied, while the snake was telling the truth.

People also like to say that sin entered the world through the fall. That is discredited by the story itself. The snake was being disobedient to God by tempting adam and eve to eat the apple. Disobedience to God is a sin. Therefore sin existed in the world before the fall.

Why did God want Adam to marry and have intercourse with animals? I for one am glad that Adam found none of them suitable and forced God to make woman or else God would have subjected us to beastiality for ever.

Seriously he brought all the animals to Adam to find one that was suitable to unite with. Phew!