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[sarcasm]And thank YOU for putting my fears at rest.[/sarcasm]

Why are you takeing peoples posts so personaly?
Flagg was not trying to put your fears to rest or make you more fearful.

I am a little touchy about the subject of death. Okay, to put not too fine a point on it, VERY touchy. I know that they are not deliberately doing that, but I still don't like it.

I am actually, when I try to think about it, quite humble. I just don't like getting old wounds ripped open. Or festering ones, for that matter. I am reminded of my own mortality every day, and it is slowly driving me mad. Especially when those dickheads who rule countries or religions can send people to deaths they do not deserve for a cause that is ultimately futile. How many US soldiers have been sent into oblivion by George "Dubya" Bush, for the sake of a few drops of oil and the overthrowing of a dictator who had been supported by the Yanks before? How many innocents have been killed in Israel and Palestine for the sake of land and religion, with people willingly killing themselves to send innocents into the dark, just because they believe that they will get the biggest damn orgy they will ever experience in any existence, when in fact it's just because the leaders are immature, stupid bastards who do not care about any human life but themselves????

My revelations about mortality have changed my values quite significantly. And not all for the better.

If that's the case then if I where you I would avoid reading posts with the title "theory on death" until I had resolved my issues.
However touchy you are, that is not a acceptable excuse for attacking peoples posts with blunt sarcasm.

Hi there, first time on this forum

I have my own theory on death (Quartermass, you may want to jump a couple of paragraphs down), I guess is not so different from any others that have been formulated, but anyway, here it goes:

First of all, I base all my theory on materialism and atheism. Since no one has proved the existence of something similar to a "soul" to the date, I will postulate no such thing exists. The same applies to God. And since I can't prove that any other persons than me are really conscious like me (as opposed to be mechanical machines that BEHAVE as if they were conscious) I will assume I'm the only self-conscious conscience (this is a bit Descartes-like). This last assumption is not really important (since different consciences should not affect any other's process of birth or death), but I'll do it for the sake of simplicity, and it allows myself to analyse the problem from a purely subjective point of view.

From the subjective point of view, one is conscious in the same "life" as long as its mental processes don't stop. Meanwhile, that person is conscious, tied by the physics laws in a space and time (that means, you can't wake up one day and find that you are in another body, or another galaxy, or another epoch, if there's not a physical mechanism behind it, e.g. someone carried you from your bed to somewhere else while you were sleeping). However, once your current "consciousness" ceases to exist, you are no longer tied to these laws, nor to space and time. If you can reencarnate in some way (and I'll demostrate this is the case in a minute) you can appear in any place, any time, even in some other universe or something else we can't even imagine. People use to think that you have to be reincarnated from someone (human, of course) that has lived in your past, but these are limitations that are not necessary. Nothing forbids you from reincarnating in an AI Computer in the next universe, 5 eons in the future. Of course, it could be that the subjective time IS linear, even when you're doing loops in the "cosmic" time, but since the process of death includes losing all memory or traits of your old self, all debate about the topic is quite pointless.

About the necessity of reincarnation: Since I base everything on atheism and materialism, I'll asume there's no Paradise of Hell where to go, so apart from the material world (and other material universes) there is NOTHING AT ALL. This means, once you die, you can either stay in stasis (which you would not notice, since you would not be conscious), or reincarnate, and in that case you start the life cycle all over again. A combination of both is possible, in which you stay some time *nowhere* and then reincarnate, but for you it wouldn't matter at all since you wouldn't notice that "stasis" period. And, in case you stay in stasis forever, well... "forever" is a lot of time. Even if you have to wait 10^99^99 eons to reincarnate (or for something else to happen, who knows), because you wouldn't notice the stasis, for you would be immediate. That's why I say reincarnation is a MUST.

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Quartermass, this part is suitable again.

Personally, Quartermass, I understand your situation, because I myself am extremely terrorized at the perspective of dying. I have my grandparents at the verge of it, and this and other circumstances have had myself very worried about it. I've spent several nights without sleeping and several days wasted just thinking about it. But the rant above is the best I've been able to come with, and thinking more about it is fruitless, so I try not to think about it more than necessary, and simply wait for any answers to come to me. So I understand you feeling inconfortable with others talking about it. But keep in mind that others don't know about your situation (or, in this forum, may not understand why you are so concerned, keep in mind we are aspies), so don't take it so personally.

On the other hand, to the people who replied to Quartermass, I'll say you exactly the same. Quartermass may not notice he is offending you with the replies, he is just expressing himself, and I bet he has no intention to offend you. Please keep in mind the website where you are, the kind of people that is writing in it, and our differences respect NTs. Do not take any comments (even this one) personally, just think about it a moment before writing any inapropiate answer.

Also, you may find this interesting. If we keep ourselves alive long enough, we may be the first generation of humans not to have to face the final destiny. And I'm not talking about a century long.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0 ... rintable=1

how u know this? i know u cant prove it,but what makes u so sure about this? u havent died yet.

peace

the opposite of life is death and visa versa.

before u were born,u were not alive,u were dead/unconcious,how did u know u were going to born and live a life? u didnt

now u are alive so take heed of the things around you and how they happen.

when u die, u come back to the same stage as u were when u were not born,u become dead/unconcious again,how would u know there is not going to be a next life? u dont know,so theres a CHANGE that there will be a next life.

u cant rely on a chance,so act correctly because some men who came as prophets said for good deeds there will be a reward and for bad deeds a punishment,some of those good deeds we know what they are,but not all, but if u want to find out because u want a bigger reward plus it helps the whole world by executing good deeds, search for them that u will find them like u found all the useful things u learned in your life.


peace

Sir_Sefirot, thank you for your compassion. I wish actual reincarnation was possible. I'm just ****ing sceptical. And cynical to boot.

i would like to think there was afterlife, but i'm not betting on it

How strange, I came to similar conclusions myself 5 years ago...
I thought that when we die, after millions of years a human will form into a new cosciousness (actually fealing is instantaneously). I can not say that your way or my way is scientific, however, how can we prove this at all?
I say lets study near death encounters. They might open up new doors...

I figure I'll worry about it when I get there. Until then, death - being certain - is also trivial.

I am of the view that the soul is not so much composed of energy or mass but "information". During your life "this information based soul" is compartmentlised to the information filing and software on one particular brain but once that brain dies then the information processes that booted your sense of self in the first place is emulated by another brain and you begin that life from scratch like it is a brand new and unique adventure just like this one.

If it's any consolation, i believe i'm currently in a reincarnation loop. Basically, over the years i have had an increasingly stronger sense that i have lived this life before, and that, for some reason i am here to relive it again until it comes to a satisfactory conclusion. In short, i believe i'm being forced to relive it because i gave up and topped myself, which i've come close to doing at several key points, but somehow i was able to steer myself clear of getting to the point where i got that bad.

Examples of how my 'past lives' have helped me include several incidents where i instinctively knew how to get myself out of situations whereby i could be either A: severely hurt or B: Killed, even to the point where one step would of made the difference. I have always had the good fortune to avoid the worst possible situations, and even in hopeless situations where i would be forced to choose the lesser of two evils, i always chose the right one. No matter how hopeless the situation is, i've always chosen the 'right' path. I also have a degree of divination, in that to an extent, i can guess what's going to happen next purely on how i 'feel' is going to happen. Often i actually dream of events before they actually happen, as though they are reminders, warnings and recently i have been able to act on them and change them.

Theres also the fact that i actually remember a time when i wasn't human, mere moments before i found myself in my body and living my life (interestingly enough, this didn't happen until i was about 3.. perhaps it takes this long for the soul to be actually capable of full 'awakening' else filling a mind? Mental development does continue for the first 4/5 years of life afterall). I felt cold, like i was flying at great speed through a darkened tunnel, just nothing around me.



That's why i believe in reincarnation, that there is life after death. Not that it's going to stop me living my life as if it's my last, it's too much of a gift to waste!

Did you ever have the feeling that when you were a child of say 3 you felt much older than you really are? You have this intuitive feeling you have been around forever. I did until the dogmas of organized religion spoilt it.

Why did you let them spoil it? If you feel something that strongly, then why let anyone spoil it for you?

But yes, in a way we are older than we actually are. It's just that this life is just a small, contained slice of a much greater existance (imo).