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Yes, it would of worked fine. But, she would not accept that I was a atheist. I personally didn't care that she was very religious. Until she tried forcing her religion down my throat is when it went down the toilet.

That's depressing.

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I have noticed that there are multiple "Rant about Christianity/Christians/Religion" threads either here or in the Haven in the past. If you don't mind me asking, why aren't Christians allowed to rant about atheists? Or is that just not acceptable on this site?

Personally, I wouldn't rant (it a highly irrational state of mind), but I would like to know why this fact is so. Answers, anyone?

When a group holds majority (Atheists in this case) they can say what they want. 2/3 of the people here are Agnostic/Atheist so "Might Makes It Right"

Whether you are Athiest or Non-Athiest somebody will always criticize you. If you are Jewish, they'll ask you why you don't believe in Jesus. If you are Islamic, they'll call you a terrorist. If you are Hindu they'll call you a terrorist too because they too stupid to figure out the difference between Hindus and Muslims. If you are a Christian, then you aren't the right kind of Christian, or the athiests will attack you. If you have your own belief, then people call you a pagan. If you are a pagan that makes you a Satan worshiper. No matter what you believe, if you tell anyone some rat bastard will always critisize you for it.

Therefore, I like to lurk in the background until that rat bastard reveals themself and pretend to be whatever they hate most. (If they are Christian, I'll pretend to be athiest, or if they are atheist, I'll pretend to be Christian. If they are a Musilim, I'll pretend to be Jewish. I haven't had any problems with Hindus or Buddhists or Jews.) I've done this on the same day in the same forum with two opposing rat bastards who were so wound up in their argument with me they didn't even realize I was supporting their viewpoint in another thread.

Feel free to rant about Atheists . But you'll probably come across a lot more Christianity and Religion rants here .

You would think that the people who are suppressed and in the minority would have more to complain about than the people who are in the majority of the opinion.



If you read what I said in my original post (and you quoted it, so you ought to have read it), I said that I wasn't here to rant. I was merely posing a question that people could answer and discuss in a semi-civilized manner.

We atheist may be the majority around here (and I actually wasn't aware of that), but we are in the minority out in the Real World...

As a rule I don't "rant about Christianity". As a skeptic (AKA atheist) my "rants" are more about the gullibility that hides under the more respectable term "faith".

I suspect chadders' rant was precipitated by some kind of ideological assault from some Christians he knows. I think a more productive response would be to address the specifics of the attack rather than to rant against stereotypes.

Actually IMO most people believe in God, but only when they are in need of one and without concern of sticking to divine rules. They just believe in a general superior power or they believe out of tradition, without first considering all alternatives (which are quite a lot ) or because their friends do so. Mostly wishi washi.

All religons are minority. No one religion holds 51% of the Earth's population. Atheism holds about 16.55% of world's population, centered in China.

How condescending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheists_in_foxholes
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyth ... oxhole.htm

From the second link:

As a devout born again Christian I have very few fears...ok cockroaches, bugs I don't know are there 'till they climb on me...I've seen ugly in the church, and God will deal with those who in his name, grieve and hurt others. I lived with an atheist dad, and and was the only Christian in my family. So what happened???? I was teased and judged, and when I stood up for myself, I was labeled self righteous,judgemental and hypicritical. Yet I've never been all that preachy, oh I can be, but as a rule....no. What irratates me is when I'm out with people and I don't order an alcoholic berverage, I'm told, "oh Paula you won't go to hell for drinking" and actuality I don't view drinking as a sin, just for me personaly, I think it's not a good example, and also, I use to drink, and DRANK WAY TO MUCH, I can't see risking everything I have for alcohol, but really why should anyone care? As for differant Christain branches, I think thats ok, one size dosn't fit all. My thought is, so many people judge us, and yet most charitable organizations are run by Christians. So yeah, we may have our problems, but at least we can, as a rule, look outside of ourselves and reach out to others. And I think thats very important.

So what?

Every side has fanatics. Somebody going to end up insulted in every case. Atheists survive Foxholes and quite often foxholes forge atheists and agnostics. My uncle was devout Catholic before Vietnam and came back an atheist saying "God is either evil and cruel or he doesn't exist." He was outcast by the family. Even now I'm the only one who speaks to him.

I think it depends on the Christian.

Most Christians who TRULY follow their faith try very hard not to sin. Temptation will get in the way and they do fail. I do.

However, I also believe that the church and/or denomination at which they worship sometimes makes it easier for Christians to sin than others.

In a Catholic Church, you can go to confession, be forgiven, told to do some kind of pennance, and told to sin no more, and then...why geee...if you sin again, you can supposedly go and be forgiven once more.

Most protestants believe you are saved by the grace of God and not by deeds. So your sins accumulate over the course of a lifetime and God will decide, based on what's in your heart, whether you will be accepted into heaven or not. This means that someone who has a corrupt heart but has only sinned once may perish while someone who has sinned all their lives but has a clean heart may be saved...but only if God wills it in either case.



Good point. We do try, but people do cave in to tempations.



Yep.



There is common ground, but it is difficult to explain. Basically, the a protestant will not believe these things that the Catholic Church DO believe:

1) That the Pope is a succesor to St. Peter. (Protestants believe each Pope after St. Peter was not appointed by St. Peter or God but by committee or -in Roman times- emperors. If the commitee or emperors were corrupt, then who is to say the Pope isn't.)

2) That praying to the Virgin Mary is acceptable. (Protestants believe in praying to God or Jesus and perhaps the Holy Spirit. Mary is not a diety, ergo she cannot grant us any favors or intercede on our behalf.)

3) That praying to saints is acceptable. (Protestants believe that only the original 13 saints -one died and was replaced- and the forty-odd they appointed are saints, but that none of them or the ones appointed after by the church can intercede on anyone's behalf. That is what Jesus is for. You insult Jesus and God by not going along with their decisons. Asking a saint to help you is like saying God and Jesus are not good enough to make decisions. Also, the Pope may appoint a saint, but what if God condemns the saint to hell because that saint was not a saint but an evil person? Then a person is not praying to a saint, but to a demon.)

4) That there is a limbo and/or purgatory. (In no place in the Bible is there a limbo and/or purgatory.)

5) A few other things.

Protestant church vary in terms of how strictly they adhere to the Bible, but essentially they go along with the beliefs of the Catholic church except for those listed above.



I personally am not scared of death and I do not understand why any Christian would be afraid. Imight be scared of HOW I will die, but what happens afterwards is known because we are told in the Bible. We either go to Heaven or to Hell. My final disposition is in God's hands. If I lead a Christian life, hopefully my heart will be pure and judged such. If I have sinned...well...then I do have something to fear, because who wants to wind up in Hell? And I have sinned. Yet I still try not to and I hope God can see that.



Well, this can be said of anyone who is part of a religion. It's not like religious people are sneaky or anything.



If I am reading this correctly, you mean we band together for common causes, which is true. We may split up afterwards, but the fellowship between us all is supposed to still be there, although this is not the case with soem Christians, I will admit.

This is actually a pretty clever scam on the part of organized churches, to tell you that following your basic human drives (like procreation) is a "sin" and creating massive guilt, and then informing you that you can only be "saved" from your guilt by following the church. Guilt (and embarrassment) is an incredibly powerful motivator.

What's not clear is whether the scam is intentional, or whether it's just passed down generation after generation in ignorance.

My parents taught me that god exists. I couldn't accept that they'd lie to me (at least not over something so important; they lied about Santa and the Bunny), so it was a foundational part of my world view for a long time. Only once I realized that they could be wrong about something so fundamental, and that the error could be passed down through hundreds of generations, did I consider looking at the question truly objectively. And when I did that, much of my world view collapsed like a house of cards, and all the seeming contractions made sense.