one side-effect if abortion is made completely illegal

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/buckhalter-mississippi-stillbirth-manslaughter

If you can't tell the difference between a medical and a spontaneous abortion after the fact, how can you enforce the law against medical abortions? At the very least, you're going to have to criminally investigate women who report to the hospital for miscarriages.

Not quite the same, but can we all agree that things would have been better ended in the first trimester? Or even better yet, access to and understanding of birth control?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... y/3076981/

In my worldview, a complete ban on abortion would equal a lot of abused, damaged kids, adopted or otherwise.

In my worldview, allowing abortion results in a lot of dead kids. Your point?

Is it better to be raised in an abusive/unloving family, adoptive or biological, than not exist in this crapsack world at all?

Is it better to be dead than to be depressed?

To be honest, I have no clue how to answer that.

It results in fewer dead kids...

Mmm? Are you seriously claiming that the number of lives that aren't lost, which would have been otherwise, due to each abortion is greater than one?

So you're saying if I kill you then I kill all your descendants and should be tried for genocide? I'm afraid potential lives are not considered lives. By anyone.

If a zef is aborted, then the child it would become cannot die. So abortion means fewer people die. And that's before we get onto aborting potential murderers, and the descendants of aborted zefs who now cannot die...

As I stated in another thread, I think technology can bring us together on the issue. No one wants to abort a child, and so I think we can all agree on that. Why not come together, encourage abstinance, safe sex, and use technology for the already on the way children? And to futher answer Walrus from a previous thread, since we already have declining birt rates, I think the decline will make up for the children that do come out and need taken care of. It would be interesting to see what would happen if governmental supports were taken out. I wonder if that would increase or decrease biths more , since family tax credits and welfare create an equilibrium, since their effects are totally opposite, and thus don't allow us to see a clear cut result if we were to remove both.

Offer people free iPads to get sterilized.That would cut down on abortions and unwanted children.

^but I already have an iPad. Could I get a free upgrade to the latest model? Or how about just a check?

The major reason birth rates are declining is because people don't want as many children and they can finally choose to limit themselves. It doesn't make sense to turn around and say "you're having 0.9 fewer children than your grandparents, have this one from an artificial womb!".

My point was in total these would all lead to less abortion. For those who choose at last minute they don't want children could still get them off their hand, and people can in forsight prevent it. I never said cause equals effect, but both together can almost eliminate abrotion, which I think we can both agree has it's downside.

No one has an inherent right for their choice of murder to be endorsed by the federal government, or supported by taxes. The age or location of the victim is completely irrelevant. Miscarriages are terrible things, and very sad for all involved...but at least in those situations, no one's being murdered.

The point is that you can't tell a medical miscarriage from a spontaneous one. If abortion is illegal, how do you enforce it without at least investigating women who have miscarriages on suspicion of inducing a medical abortion? Do you just ignore the law? Or do you only prosecute women who admit that they sent away for some mifepristone online?