The structural roots of Israeli Apartheid

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Ah, I know what that is. The failed attempt to exterminate the Jews of Mandatory Palestine.

Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, on the eve of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War (or 'Nakba' as the losers call it):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Hassan_Azzam

One day after the State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation (14 May 1948), troops and assorted volunteers from Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Transjordan, entered Palestine, joining several thousand Palestinians. This marks the beginning of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[29] A regularly cited claim is that Azzam declared on that day or on the eve of the war:

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

The source of the quotation is usually given as a press conference in Cairo, which some versions say was broadcast by the BBC.[30] An Egyptian writer in 1961 maintained that the quotation was "completely out of context". He wrote that "Azzam actually said that he feared that if the people of Palestine were to be forcibly and against all right dispossessed, a tragedy comparable to the Mongol invasions and the Crusades might not be avoidable. ..... The reference to the Crusaders and the Mongols aptly describes the view of the foreign Zionist invaders shared by most Arabs."[31]

In 2010, doubt over the provenance of the quotation was voiced by Joffe and Romirowsky[32] and by Morris.[33]

The truth about the quotation was reported on Wikipedia late in 2010 and was later the subject of an article published by David Barnett and Efraim Karsh.[34][35] Azzam's words were found to have come from a time several months earlier, in an October 11, 1947 interview in the Egyptian newspaper Akhbar el-Yom.
In that interview he is reported as saying:

“ "Personally I hope the Jews do not force us into this war because it will be a war of elimination and it will be a dangerous massacre which history will record similarly to the Mongol massacre or the wars of the Crusades. I think the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will exceed the Palestinian population."

Why don't all the jew bashers out there start focusing more on what goes on in the rest of the Middle East. Is there a law out there that says it's not a human rights violation unless the jews did it? For every Palestinian killed by Israeli forces, there are thousands of people killed by Assad, Abdullah II and Khameni. Furthermore, I've never seen an anti-Israeli activist mention the fact that the Gaza strip has one of the highest rates of executions per capita in the world, that Hamas bans homosexuality and that the barrier has saved thousands of lives... but hey, neither the jews nor a capitalist country did it, so I guess it's just "a part of their culture that we need to accept".

“Personally I hope the Jews do not force us into this war because it will be a war of elimination and it will be a dangerous massacre which history will record similarly to the Mongol massacre or the wars of the Crusades. I think the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will exceed the Palestinian population."

Their Charter reads like something that Hitler would have wrote. I'm not joking. Quoting the Protocols and antisemitic conspiracy theories, and quoting genocidal Islamic hadiths as support for their position (the garqhad tree). Lots of quotations in it from Islamic sources that endorses fighting Jews. It sees the Arab-Israeli conflict as a conflict between the Jews and the Muslims, that the Muslims must win. It's a disgusting, racist document.

They're not much less savage towards their own people either. Think about what they do to people singing at weddings.

Incidentally, even in Gaza, a lot of people (who aren't supporters of Israel, before you ask) don't like living under Hamas because they find them to be totalitarians but they mostly don't say so out loud for obvious reasons due to the brutality of their rule.

I think he retreated after the debunking Palistine lie vid.

@Thomas81

Could not get your contrarian flag up discussing NK, so its back to safer territory flogging Israel.

I think he retreated after the debunking Palistine lie vid.

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@Thomas81

Could not get your contrarian flag up discussing NK, so its back to safer territory flogging Israel.

"one victory against imperialism anywhere in the world is a victory for every worker in the world"

"When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known."

I'm sorry your logic is faulty. Simply because you don't agree with, or appreciate the soundness of the speech figurative doesn't infer childishness or lack of maturity. It does however indict the other party of pomposity and false grandeur of their opinion.

Nonsense, the world is not reducible to an axiom. I hate the fact homeless people can exist at all, I would much rather everyone had a house and lived a nice life. The ideology you are putting forward, is utterly simplistic. Your views lead you to say nice things about bad people. Israel exists, it is not going anywhere. Palestinians exist, they are not going anywhere both need to live together and making the cases that you have been do not help matters, one bit. So yes, I am dismissive of you. The position you have put forward peg you into the corner that I have no respect for. I have seen what simplistic ideology does to people I have also seen contrarians become useful idiots for truly awful tyrants. I just have no time for someone who no matter what numbers they put into the equation come up with the same answer. Its not the sign of a smart idea, its the sign of a broken calculator.