Fatwa forbids Muslims from traveling to Mars
Really? Can you please elaborate? On this forum I do my best to stand up against Islamophobia, but statements like this make it harder.
OK. Comunicate with me.
Really, these dude are ... one of two: 1 BS and sorry the language or 2 undercover agents between themselves and God hiding this secret message. Because this message is found here:
98:2 Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture (Us) and the polytheists (YOU) were not to be parted [from misbelief] until there came to them clear evidence -
98:2 A Messenger from Allah , reciting purified scriptures
We need an apostle to speak up for us. I guess he will appear in the end of times when the pressure is increasing in a race with time. But eventually we will make a counterbalance. ... I've got more.
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ok, i think we all got that the first time, wreck...
chapter 48 The opening / start .... Those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind will say to you: Our property and our families kept us busy, so ask forgiveness for us. They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: Then who can control anything for you from Allah if He intends to do you harm or if He intends to do you good; nay, Allah is Aware of what you do:
But you thought that the Messenger and the believers would never return to their families, ever, and that was made pleasing in your hearts. And you assumed an assumption of evil and became a people ruined."
I am still not sure what is the first time.
I've spent time among muslims though and realise the greater proportion of them don't harbour delusions of some sort of a global caliphate.
I get by by treating most religious fundie folks as being cognitively dissonant. You know, having end times prophecies which they compartmentalize away from everyday life. Mind you, since I live in Canada I don't think there's as many people with truly materially kooky religious beliefs.
There maybe equivalent religous spacephobia in the West. There is a still popular recent bestselling novel by an American Christian Fundie that offended a certain other American Christian Fundie ( a WP member) because the novel seemed to be questioning the Christian-ness of human space travel.
And it questioned it for a curious reason. The protagonist of the novel is an astronaut exploring deep space. But when they return to Earth he is shocked and disappointed to find out that he has missed out on the Rapture!
How is that for bad timing? Go away on a business trip for a couple weeks, and God picks that two weeks to rapture everybody on Earth!
The WP member was offended that someone would write a book that would discourage his fellow Fundies from going into space science.
I told him that he should also be offended that someone wrote the dumbest plot line ever concieved of!
If there is a God, and if he does stage a Rapture, being a few hundred light years off of Earth wouldnt stop a person from getting raptured. God presumably runs the whole universe. Not just this planet. So the story doesnt even have internal logic.
Pus, *Jesus* even implies that people off-world will get raptured...
I want to hear about this book, now. End times prophecies and space colonisation are a minor interest of mine, especially as they relate to a world I'm building. I would expect preterism to be dominant, in a settled solar system. Though a few of the more out there people (both literally and theologically) would probably still hide away in the Oort cloud where the antichrist can't get them... or maybe they'd understand that the beast isn't implied to dominate the entire world.
I'm still not convinced that all the end time prophecies aren't just talking about future gang violence in Neo-Jerusalem.
I want to hear about this book, now. End times prophecies and space colonisation are a minor interest of mine, especially as they relate to a world I'm building.
It was probably "Left Behind" ( they even made it into a video movie), but I would have to go through the back pages of this PPR Forum to find that thread to make sure. But yes- it would be a must for any conneisseur of the end of the world! Along with both secular books like "5-5-2000", and other religous predictions like Harold Camping's repeatedly revived overdue predictions.
- Did you know that arabs are going to take over the globe?
- Really? Why?
- Because the westerners will have settled in mars and the moon and the rest of space.
And I as muslim, I plan on staying here and contributing the the unity of human family before I "move out" to other places. Then earth will be Islams territory.
How can a territory have an religion? Until now, I only met religious people, never religious trees, mountains, stones, grass or rivers.
- Did you know that arabs are going to take over the globe?
- Really? Why?
- Because the westerners will have settled in mars and the moon and the rest of space.
And I as muslim, I plan on staying here and contributing the the unity of human family before I "move out" to other places. Then earth will be Islams territory.
How can a territory have an religion? Until now, I only met religious people, never religious trees, mountains, stones, grass or rivers.
Then you haven't talked to enough trees and rivers.
- Did you know that arabs are going to take over the globe?
- Really? Why?
- Because the westerners will have settled in mars and the moon and the rest of space.
And I as muslim, I plan on staying here and contributing the the unity of human family before I "move out" to other places. Then earth will be Islams territory.
How can a territory have an religion? Until now, I only met religious people, never religious trees, mountains, stones, grass or rivers.
Then you haven't talked to enough trees and rivers.
Hello Cei.
I havent been lucky to be born in an auspicious enviorment. An accomoddating enviorment.
But I believe that the world lacks alot of progression the way I see the world objectively.
As I just now came out from my Asperger shell (psychosis).
On the other hand I might be extremely luck.
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Two- My understanding is that as a private rather than state sponsored project, its going to have a 'reality TV' emphasis rather than a scientific one. They plan to send average members of the general public, people who simply don't have the physical endurance of traditional astronauts or have been through the rigorous screening of conventional space programs. Consider that they will be enduring the most dangerous flight ever.
From the MarsOne website:
Radiation on the way to Mars
A study published in the journal Science in May 2013 calculates 662 +/ 108 millisieverts (mSv) of radiation exposure for a 360 day return trip, as measured by the Radiation Assessment Detector (RAD). The study shows that ninety five percent of the radiation received by the RAD instrument came from Galactic Cosmic Rays or GCRs, which are hard to shield against without use of prohibitive shielding mass (1).
The 210-day journey Mars One settlers will take, amounts to radiation exposure of 386 +/- 63 mSv, considering these recent measurements as standard. This exposure is below the upper limits of accepted standards for an astronaut career: European Space Agency, Russian Space Agency and Canadian Space Agency limit is 1000 mSv; NASA limits are between 600-1200mSv, depending on sex and age (1)
Mars transit habitat radiation shelter
On the way to Mars, the crew will be protected from solar particles by the structure of the spacecraft. The crew will receive general protection of 10-15 gr/cm2 shielding from the structure of the Mars transit vehicle. In case of a solar flare or Solar Particle Event (SPE), this shielding will not suffice and the crew will retreat to a dedicated radiation shelter in Mars Transit habitat, taking their cue from the onboard radiation monitoring and alert system. The dedicated radiation shelter located in the hollow water tank, will provide additional shielding to the level of 40 gr/cm2. The astronauts should expect one SPE every two months on average and a total of three or four during their entire trip, with each one usually lasting not more than a couple of days.
Radiation on Mars
Mars's surface receives more radiation than the Earth's but still blocks a considerable amount. Radiation exposure on the surface is 30 µSv per hour during solar minimum; during solar maximum, dosage equivalent of this exposure is reduced by the factor two (2).
If the settlers spend on average three hours every three days outside the habitat, their individual exposure adds up to 11 mSv per year.
The Mars One habitat will be covered by several meters of soil, which provides reliable shielding even against galactic cosmic rays. Five meters of soil provides the same protection as the Earth's atmosphere-- equivalent to 1,000 g/cm2 of shielding.
With the help of a forecasting system taking shelter in the habitat can prevent radiation exposure from SPEs.
Total radiation exposure
The 210-day trip results in radiation exposure of the crew of 386 +/- 61 mSv. On the surface, they will be exposed to about 11 mSv per year during their excursions on the surface of Mars. This means that the settlers will be able to spend about sixty years on Mars before reaching their career limit, with respect to ESA standards.
1. Measurements of Energetic Particle Radiation in Transit to Mars on the Mars Science Laboratory C. Zeitlin, D. M. Hassler, F. A. Cucinotta, B. Ehresmann, R. F. Wimmer-Schweingruber, D. E. Brinza, S. Kang, G. Weigle, S. Böttcher, E. Böhm, S. Burmeister, J. Guo, J. Köhler, C. Martin, A. Posner, S. Rafkin, and G. Reitz Science 31 May 2013: 340 (6136), 1080-1084.
2. F. A. Cucinotta, L. Chappell, M. Y. Kim, Space Radiation Cancer Risk Projections and Uncertainties–2012 (NASA Technical Paper 2013-217375, NASA STI Program, Hampton, VA, 2013)
Round 1: All candidates must submit an online application. The online application consists of general information about the applicant, a motivational letter, a resume and a one minute video in which the applicant answers some given questions and explains why he or she should be among the first humans who set foot on Mars. At this stage the potential candidates can submit their application in one of the 11 most used languages on Internet: English, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Russian, Arabic, Indonesian, Chinese Mandarin, Japanese, Korean. Approved application videos are available to be watched by everyone on applicants.mars-one.com, if an applicant decides to make his or her application video public. At the end of round one, a team of Mars One experts will decide which applicants will pass to round two.
Round 2: Candidates for round 2 will need to get a medical statement of good health from their physician. The applicant will be invited to meet with a Mars One selection committee. After conducting an interview with the candidates, the selection committees determines who will pass to round three.
Round 3: This round is the regional selection round, which could be broadcasted on TV and internet in countries around the world. In each region, 20-40 applicants will participate in challenges that demonstrate their suitability to become one of the first humans on Mars. The audience will select one winner per region and Mars One experts will select additional participants to continue to round four.
Round 4: Those who pass to round four will be expected to be able to communicate in English. The applicants will be responsible to reach this level of English. Round 4 will be an international event that will be broadcasted throughout the world. The Mars One selection committee will create international groups from the individual candidates. The groups will be expected to demonstrate their ability to live in harsh living conditions, and work together under difficult circumstances. The groups will receive their first short term training in a copy of the Mars outpost. From the first selection series, of which Round 1 starts in 2013, six groups of four will become full time employees of the Mars One astronaut corps, after which they will train for their mission. Whole teams and individuals might be selected out during training when they prove not to be suitable for the mission.
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