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Fnord
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12 Dec 2013, 12:31 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Doesn't alimony go both ways?

Not often enough.

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What is your proposed solution, Fnord? Would you raise taxes in order to raise child support?

Alimony is a legal obligation on a person to provide financial support to his or her spouse before or after marital separation or divorce. Alimony is not child support, where, after divorce, one parent is required to contribute to the support of their children by paying money to the child's other parent or guardian. Money received through alimony is taxable income, while money received through child support is not.

A parent should support his or her own children, or forfeit all legal rights to them. There should be no middle ground, where he or she is required to pay for their maintenance while being forbidden from seeing them; the only exception being when a parent who abuses his or her children should be required to forfeit all rights to his or her children, and still pay maintenance.



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12 Dec 2013, 5:09 pm

Oh, fair enough then. I understand the concept of "paying off" a spouse at divorce (if, for example, they have contributed to the mortgage you are now paying yourself for the house you are living in, or they have no been in work because they were raising your children on the assumption you would continue funding the family), but giving an ex-spouse a regular wage seems a bit odd.



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12 Dec 2013, 5:32 pm

I remember being at one of those bars where the girls danced naked. I put some pay in the gender gap of one of the girls.

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13 Dec 2013, 1:16 am

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Why don't we also get rid of the expectation that men should always be footing the bill.


Good idea.

I've had the experience of trying to pay my own way and having the guy act like I'd suggested he cut his own balls off.
Guys should stop doing that.
QFT

Usually it's the 'chivalrous' guys who think that decent behavior and food are a financial transaction for sex, though.

WRT alimony, it's for when one spouse sacrificed having or building a career for the family; if, for example, you gave up a promotion or a job because your spouse couldn't move, or had to move, and you chose keeping the family together over more pay. It halts your progress up the career ladder, and you might never make up the loss in wages you incurr because of it.



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14 Dec 2013, 12:10 pm

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14 Dec 2013, 12:17 pm

LKL wrote:
It is very disappointing that the decreasing gap is caused as much by men's wages lowering as by women's wages increasing. That was never the point. We would all be better off if men still made more, on average, even if it meant that the gender gap was still higher; families would be better off, on average.


Well, that how it worked out, though.

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14 Dec 2013, 2:33 pm

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I remember being at one of those bars where the girls danced naked. I put some pay in the gender gap of one of the girls.

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:lmao:



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16 Dec 2013, 7:37 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Doesn't alimony go both ways?


Alimony flows from the time when women could not work. So, if you married and then divorced (save for infidelity), you were putting your ex-wife out on the street with no skills and nobody to take her in. Back then, women never left their parents' home except when they married or if they found a way to make a living on their own.

As most men did not want to marry a divorced woman, alimony was what you paid to keep her "in the manner to which she was accustomed" because you wanted out of the marriage.

In today's world, it simply is no longer relevant unless a man wants to just run off with another woman, but even then....