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15 Jan 2014, 5:42 pm

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another day another false accusation of rape.

Dude, you don't know that is a false accusation. It's just an accusation.

Seriously, it is not cool to just assume that any accusation must be false.
That doesn't matter. He lives in MRA land. In his head all rape allegations are false by default and being accused of rape is worse than actually being raped.


tell that to Brian Banks, and that Temple University male student who was expelled after he was falsely accused of Rape, ask Tupac, ask Mike Tyson. the Duke University Lacrosse Players, etc I could go on and on. in the U.K Taxi Drivers are being accused of rape by drunk girls to avoid paying taxi fares. some even resort to NOT picking up partying drunk girls.


and again the U.K

Woman accused her ex-boyfriend of rape 'in a bid to cover up shame of threesome'

Lisa Yapp, 24, showed two men naked photographs of herself then went to one of their homes where they had sex in the kitchen, a court heard
She is said to have 'high-fived' the men as she left afterwards
Yapp later turned up at a friend's house in tears saying she'd been raped



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15 Jan 2014, 6:08 pm

Being falsely assisted of anything sucks.The people who make false charges should be punished.But when the day is over,I think more women have been raped,than men being falsely accused.


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15 Jan 2014, 6:14 pm

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anti feminists always come out of the woodwork to whine whenever women make even the most trivial or modest of gains.

Men still have the bargaining power where it matters (politics, business and media) and that is the whole point.
Thats why the men shouldn't have rights then they will have a reason to whine about! Distibute all the power to the women and raise womens wages higher then men so that way men will earn 50 cents to every $10.00s an hour a woman earns! If a man raises his voice he shall be bludgeoned and thrown into a prison for 10 years!


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15 Jan 2014, 11:49 pm

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But when the day is over,I think more women have been raped,than men being falsely accused.

This what we have been told by feminists but it appear as far as data can show that it's a lie and a very big one! Like You I beleaved that but sorry to tell you that we have been lied. According to stats I saw from official Québec statistic office, there had some 14 000 alegations and only about 5000 found guilty. I dont remember if it was only rape or "violance against women" but the fact remain unchanged. We have, to use feminist wording, an epidemic of false alegations (in Québec at least).

All my life, as far I can remember, feminist told (lied to) me that 300 000 (individual) women was beaten each single year in Québec, I beleaved them all that time! Until I realised that this was physicaly impossible! 8O The fact is that those number mean that each 10 years all women of Quebec (gran-ma and new born baby included) are beaten by their husband!! ! Apparently feminist learned from Goebels motto " the biger is the lie more they will easyly shallow it". And few years later, the state who distilated those extravagant numbers everywhere , asked to tell from where those number came from finaly recognized that they came from thin air... After that I started to look about all they told me and I beleaved. :oops: Most of it was lies, half-truth, etc.

So never thrust what NT ideologue say chance are they are abusing you highschool style...


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16 Jan 2014, 12:04 am

^^^What about all the rapes that go unreported?What about the men that get raped by other men(and occasionally by a woman) and never report it because they feel ashamed?Rape isn't just a female issue.


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16 Jan 2014, 2:13 am

'14K rape reports and 5K rape convictions' doesn't mean that there were 9K false reports; it means that the justice system is really f****d up. It's one of the reasons that so many women *don't* report rapes that actually occur.

Wrt. the beating number, I don't know what the population of Calgary is, but a lot of individual women get regularly beaten; if you average out every individual beating of every abused woman who gets thrashed once a week, it won't make sense with the whole population.



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16 Jan 2014, 9:01 am

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anti feminists always come out of the woodwork to whine whenever women make even the most trivial or modest of gains.

Men still have the bargaining power where it matters (politics, business and media) and that is the whole point.
Thats why the men shouldn't have rights then they will have a reason to whine about! Distibute all the power to the women and raise womens wages higher then men so that way men will earn 50 cents to every $10.00s an hour a woman earns! If a man raises his voice he shall be bludgeoned and thrown into a prison for 10 years!

In MRA land, that's already happend.



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16 Jan 2014, 9:14 am

sephardic-male wrote:
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http://www.thefrisky.com/2014-01-08/why-i-believe-conor-obersts-anonymous-rape-accuser/#disqus_thread

another day another false accusation of rape.

Dude, you don't know that is a false accusation. It's just an accusation.

Seriously, it is not cool to just assume that any accusation must be false.
That doesn't matter. He lives in MRA land. In his head all rape allegations are false by default and being accused of rape is worse than actually being raped.


tell that to Brian Banks, and that Temple University male student who was expelled after he was falsely accused of Rape, ask Tupac, ask Mike Tyson. the Duke University Lacrosse Players, etc I could go on and on. in the U.K Taxi Drivers are being accused of rape by drunk girls to avoid paying taxi fares. some even resort to NOT picking up partying drunk girls.


So now actual convicted rapists (like Tyson) are the real victims? All rapists are clearly just victims of female oppression.



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16 Jan 2014, 9:37 am

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But when the day is over,I think more women have been raped,than men being falsely accused.

This what we have been told by feminists but it appear as far as data can show that it's a lie and a very big one! Like You I beleaved that but sorry to tell you that we have been lied. According to stats I saw from official Québec statistic office, there had some 14 000 alegations and only about 5000 found guilty. I dont remember if it was only rape or "violance against women" but the fact remain unchanged. We have, to use feminist wording, an epidemic of false alegations (in Québec at least).

Do you know how hard it is for someone to be convicted of rape? It's hard enough with actual eveidence and pretty much impossible without. Men don't get thrown in prison for rape unless there's actual evidence to back up the victim's statement. Even then it's easy for a good defense attorney to muck with it (like you do with your victim blaming.) Thats why so few actually go to trial in the first place. Those statistic you pulled out of your ass show this.

Only about half of all murder trials result in a conviction. Using your logic, half of all murders never happened becuase they didn't result in a guilty verdict. I'm sure grieving family members will take comfort in realizing they died of natural causes and that bullet wound was just circumstantial.

Question for you and Sephoric-male:

Since in your head, "not guilty" is exactly the same as "innocent", should a non-conviction be taken as unmitigated proof that the victim was lying? If a rape trial doesn't result in a guilty verdict, should the rape accuser automatically be sent to jail?



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16 Jan 2014, 10:54 am

Geekonychus wrote:
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Geekonychus wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
sephardic-male wrote:
http://www.thefrisky.com/2014-01-08/why-i-believe-conor-obersts-anonymous-rape-accuser/#disqus_thread

another day another false accusation of rape.

Dude, you don't know that is a false accusation. It's just an accusation.

Seriously, it is not cool to just assume that any accusation must be false.
That doesn't matter. He lives in MRA land. In his head all rape allegations are false by default and being accused of rape is worse than actually being raped.


tell that to Brian Banks, and that Temple University male student who was expelled after he was falsely accused of Rape, ask Tupac, ask Mike Tyson. the Duke University Lacrosse Players, etc I could go on and on. in the U.K Taxi Drivers are being accused of rape by drunk girls to avoid paying taxi fares. some even resort to NOT picking up partying drunk girls.


So now actual convicted rapists (like Tyson) are the real victims? All rapists are clearly just victims of female oppression.



Brian Banks was "convicted" before they founded that the woman was lying.

Mike Tyson's accuser had a history of false rape accusations


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16 Jan 2014, 6:03 pm

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Being falsely assisted of anything sucks.The people who make false charges should be punished.But when the day is over,I think more women have been raped,than men being falsely accused.
Im not the best at guessing on out of how many reports are false but im pretty sure its probably around 5% at most.


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16 Jan 2014, 6:50 pm

I know all of this MRA hand-wringing is written as if you're not taking yourself seriously, but I get the impression you're arguing that way because you know the real reason why you're bitter towards women and it's not because of some crusade for social justice. If I had to guess, it's because women (and just about all the men) avoid you because your principal self-identifying trait is liking weird Japanese cartoons at the age of 31. By no means am I suggesting that makes you a bad person, but society has pretty much uniformly decided that anime is for children. And if a man does something that's perceived as being meant for children, that man is shunned by everyone regardless of their gender.

Based on what I've heard, I'm also pretty sure Japanese society feels exactly the same way about their own adult population in regards to anime.



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16 Jan 2014, 7:14 pm

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I know all of this MRA hand-wringing is written as if you're not taking yourself seriously, but I get the impression you're arguing that way because you know the real reason why you're bitter towards women and it's not because of some crusade for social justice. If I had to guess, it's because women (and just about all the men) avoid you because your principal self-identifying trait is liking weird Japanese cartoons at the age of 31. By no means am I suggesting that makes you a bad person, but society has pretty much uniformly decided that anime is for children. And if a man does something that's perceived as being meant for children, that man is shunned by everyone regardless of their gender.

Based on what I've heard, I'm also pretty sure Japanese society feels exactly the same way about their own adult population in regards to anime.
I don't know about that so does that mean hentai is for children as well? Did you know there is a broad spectrum of anime for all age groups? There are scores of anime not meant for children some are too violent for children and intended for a much more mature audience and quite a lot with sexually suggestive dialogue like Desert Punk in this clip.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TNGgCTlcJs[/youtube] For the record Im not hateful or bitter towards women and there are women who actually like my company Im neither MRA nor a Feminist i am an egalitarian just acting silly. It just goes to show how ignorant society really is. You, yourself probably do not understand the anime fandom and view it as such the majority of the populous who have no understanding of it but to be frank i mention that i like anime to other folks and they don't care of course theyre not ignorant either. From what you have heard how Japanese view it isnt quite entirely accurate te worst they see it is about the same as someone in the US who likes Star Wars or some other sci fi like fandom. They even have a district for geeks and nerds in Tokyo like Akihabara.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtmtKnoCGM[/youtube]Its actually not uncommon for Otaku to be in their late 20s-30s some even in their 40s I have met a few anime fans at conventions in their 40s and 50s both men and women. Some bring their whole family. My sister whos 34 and a single mom also like anime alot. Your never too old for anime if you think otherwise you may as well be too old to like star wars or some other fandom as well.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqVDYIfbrg[/youtube]


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16 Jan 2014, 8:08 pm

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I don't know about that so does that mean hentai is for children as well?


Japanese society is fairly conservative on matters of sexuality. Anyone who has a collection of that stuff is generally regarded as a weird pervert. Quadruple that perception if you're a foreigner.


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Did you know there is a broad spectrum of anime for all age groups? There are scores of anime not meant for children some are too violent for children and intended for a much more mature audience and quite a lot with sexually suggestive dialogue like Desert Punk in this clip.


It seems to me like it comes in three flavors 1. Really small children. 2. Teenagers. 3. Really weird adults that probably live in America.

Violence doesn't necessarily have the same connotations overseas that it does in America. Miyazaki's stuff routinely gets picked up and redistributed by Disney as children's movies, but there's tons of blood spraying all over the place.


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For the record Im not hateful or bitter towards women and there are women who actually like my company Im neither MRA nor a Feminist i am an egalitarian just acting silly.


I'm not really sure I believe this.

Anyway, your defense of anime doesn't really change society's perception of it, and that perception is negative. I don't know if you've seen how older Star Wars fans are depicted, but it isn't exactly flattering either. If you want to watch anime and accept the consequences that comes with it, than more power to you. But being accepted by society at large comes with a price. It's not really fair, but what is?



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16 Jan 2014, 8:55 pm

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I don't know about that so does that mean hentai is for children as well?


Japanese society is fairly conservative on matters of sexuality. Anyone who has a collection of that stuff is generally regarded as a weird pervert. Quadruple that perception if you're a foreigner.


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Did you know there is a broad spectrum of anime for all age groups? There are scores of anime not meant for children some are too violent for children and intended for a much more mature audience and quite a lot with sexually suggestive dialogue like Desert Punk in this clip.


It seems to me like it comes in three flavors 1. Really small children. 2. Teenagers. 3. Really weird adults that probably live in America.

Violence doesn't necessarily have the same connotations overseas that it does in America. Miyazaki's stuff routinely gets picked up and redistributed by Disney as children's movies, but there's tons of blood spraying all over the place.


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For the record Im not hateful or bitter towards women and there are women who actually like my company Im neither MRA nor a Feminist i am an egalitarian just acting silly.


I'm not really sure I believe this.

Anyway, your defense of anime doesn't really change society's perception of it, and that perception is negative. I don't know if you've seen how older Star Wars fans are depicted, but it isn't exactly flattering either. If you want to watch anime and accept the consequences that comes with it, than more power to you. But being accepted by society at large comes with a price. It's not really fair, but what is?
Is this how you view people of fandomes exactly like how society views fandoms? From how you describe it its like how the majority of NT populous views those on the spectrum as a whole. Furthermore your ignoring the fact there is hentai do you know what hentai is? Do you know what ecchi is? That is not for children that is for audiences 18 and up. Im pretty sure Disney or any general media would not allow children to see nude women even animated acting in sexual manners let alone profanity cuts being spilled and people being butchered alive and such. Atack on Titan and Muv Luv are both very gory Even the non hentai thats aired on Adult Swim and some mature anime like black lagoon with explicit profantity that is NOT for children. That is a narrow minded view and shows how ignorant you are of the fandom.

"Anime are often classified by target demographic, including kodomo (children's), shōjo (girls'), shounen (boys') and a diverse range of genres targeting an adult audience. Shoujo and shounen anime sometimes contain elements popular with children of both sexes in an attempt to gain crossover appeal. Adult anime may feature a slower pace or greater plot complexity that younger audiences typically find unappealing, as well as adult themes and situations. A subset of adult anime works feature pornographic elements and are labeled "R18" in Japan, but internationally these works are grouped together under the term hentai (Japanese for "pervert"). By contrast, a variety of anime sub-genres across demographic groups incorporate ecchi, sexual themes or undertones without depictions of sexual intercourse, as typified in the comedic or harem genres; due to its popularity among adolescent and adult anime enthusiasts, incorporation of ecchi elements in anime is considered a form of fan service."

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Now back on topic It is possible Patriarchy does exist it has been for thousands of years in this day and age it is no longer necessary and in developing countries its at its strongest and abuses its power to oppress women usually through religion and totalitarian government. Pay gaps vary from country to country and I honestly think women should be payed exactly as much as men as long as they work just as hard and do their part. Im not sure if patriarchy is as strong in the US since women are considered a lot more equal as opposed to over seas. Growing up I was rather indifferent to it all really until I have encountered a few radical feminist and was influenced by it and was thought to believe in order to be respectful to women that one must put women above himself and that we as males are less intelligent and inferior and that maybe we seriously should give them more rights than ourselves to balance it out. Of course I eventually snapped out of it after periods of deep depression and self esteem and being completely emasculated to satisfy others in order to avoid being considered a chauvanist pig. I have survived an abusive relationship and nearly committed suicide because i thought It was for the best as a man for me to do so I had viewed myself below women for quite a while I occasionally get those streaks from time to time its probably not healthy but then again im a man so it shouldn't matter too much. I cannot really say I hate women but I lack trust I am slowly regaining trust and all I am beginning to rethink that maybe as a man i am human as well and not to let women walk over me but not think of women below me either. In all honesty I wish I could rid the world of hatred bigotry and ignorance but that is impossible. I have changed my self for others to make them happy only to be walked all over its pointless. Maybe we males should be exterminated maybe not I struggle within myself to find the balance of it all indecisive of things like the flip of a coin I believe women should have the same rights as men but also we men should still have our rights just not unfairly favorable over women.


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