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16 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Stop World War I from happening and then Hitler probably stays an artist

This, because...

Dox47 wrote:

I'd rather prevent the treaty of Versailles, cleaner all around.

No WWI, no Treaty of Versailles (with the additional benefit of avoiding the horrors of WWI). Shaking some sense into Clemenceau would probably be easier than stopping WWI though.

Germany could remain militarised enough to stop Stalin, particularly if it had France and Britain as allies rather than opponents. Italy would probably be worse off if the fascists had held onto power as they did in Spain and Portugal, but that's a fairly small price to pay.

As for the question actually posed... yes, I'd advocate killing Hitler in 1939 (if not earlier). It is possible he may have been holding back some scarier fascist, but the balance of probabilities makes that unlikely- Hitler was unprecedented, though that may simply have been because he had access to technology that previous would-have-been dictators could only dream of. Nonetheless, I think it is more likely the vacuum would have been filled by someone less offensive.

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16 Jan 2014, 1:00 pm

If someone had killed Gavrilo Princip before 1914, not only would they have prevented both world wars but also the nazification of Germany.

Just saying.

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16 Jan 2014, 1:42 pm

If I had the power to go back in time and manipulate the circumstances to change anything such as Hitler's death, I would seriously f**k everything up from everyone elses perspective, but that wouldn't bother me. I'd try to make the human existences as miserable as possible because well, f**k everyone else.

And that's why I can't be trusted with any modicum of power which includes time travel.

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16 Jan 2014, 2:23 pm

Without WWI does the Russian Revolution even happen? Not only that, without WWI does the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire still happen? Without Britian and France carving up the Middle East and without WWI, would there be an Israeli/Arab conflict? It is amazing thinking about how different the world would be without that awful pointless war.

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16 Jan 2014, 2:25 pm

stardraigh wrote:

Thats not what the question was. The question was, irrespective of all other factors would you kill Hitler, yes or no?

Its a boolean concept.

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16 Jan 2014, 2:42 pm

Would there be an Israel today without Hitler?

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16 Jan 2014, 3:06 pm

Nambo wrote:

Would there be an Israel today without Hitler?

Unlikely.

The date of Israel's establishment is no coincidence.

Frankly though thats just one turd in a bucket of s**t of reasons to do the bastard in.

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16 Jan 2014, 4:35 pm

If I could go back in time, I think the first person I'd kill is Piers Morgan, Nancy Lanza would be next, and I don't know who would be after that. It seems like killing Hitler would be too risky though; it would alter the course of history too much.

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16 Jan 2014, 5:47 pm

Mike1 wrote:

If I could go back in time, I think the first person I'd kill is Piers Morgan...

It's not too late to kill Piers Morgan.

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16 Jan 2014, 6:06 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Mike1 wrote:

If I could go back in time, I think the first person I'd kill is Piers Morgan...

It's not too late to kill Piers Morgan.

You could just go back to before his birth and give his parents a pamphlet on the benefits of family planning.

Erase him, back to the future style.

Far less messy, and no chance of being indicted for murder.

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16 Jan 2014, 7:31 pm

thomas81 wrote:

My way doesn't require a time machine.

Besides, nobody likes Piers Morgan, it would practically be a victimless crime. :lol:

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16 Jan 2014, 8:25 pm

thomas81 wrote:

perhaps 10 or 15 years back, I read of a surviving british tommy was part of a company that managed to capture a german unit in the WW1 trenches including a young hitler.

If IRC correctly, he spoke of his regret at not pulling the trigger.

I seem to recall the same individual tried to rejoin the British Army in order to 'correct' the mistake. I'm not sure that he got back in.

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16 Jan 2014, 11:09 pm

Germany was primed for a charismatic leader who claimed to have all the answers. Eliminate Hitler and someone else might pop up.

I'd rather go back a bit farther and kill Karl Marx.

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17 Jan 2014, 1:45 am

Wow, this is quickly turning into a time traveling genocide; shall we kill the Kim family and the Putins while we're at it?

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17 Jan 2014, 2:08 am

Thing is, Hitler was not the sole insane mind behind all of the injustices of WWII, not even close.
The entire NAZI upper echelons we're all sick F'ks, oh yeah, then how about Stalin and all of his buddies?

Killing Hitler before WWII would have had little to no effect.

He was just a charismatic frontman.

I'd sooner go back to the 1700's and kill Mayor Rothschild.
But then if he had not been in the picture, the some other aggressive large scale banker would have risen to the top and perpetrated the manipulations the major banks had over the nations and wars of the following centuries. Almost all of the major wars of the past 250+ years have been as a result of the manipulation of the central banks of the world, particularly Europe. (Sorry guys, you we're the ones who taught the US how to be how to be greedy pr*cks). american revolution, 1812, american civil war, spanish american war, WWI, russian revolution, WWII, Korea, Cold war,Vietnam, the ongoing Israel/arab conflict, Iraq, Afganistan, ALL as a result on both sides of the manipulations by the bankers on global politics. For centuries, war has been used as an engine for global finance.

Hitler? he was nothing.

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19 Jan 2014, 2:54 am

pete1061 wrote:

While I agree there were other voices of hate and Antisemitism in Germany, I disagree that he was just a charismatic front man. He had given direction to a political party that was rife with dissent withing their very ranks from the very beginning (the socialist wing on the left, and the nationalist wing on the right). And everyone came to have fanatical devotion to Hitler, from the bottom to the top, with pleasing him as their number one objective in life, sounding like the exact opposite of a mere front man.

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