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21 Jan 2014, 2:40 pm

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If the women fought bare breasted they would have the advantage,the men would be caught off guard and helpless. :D
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21 Jan 2014, 3:07 pm

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From my understanding the Patriarchy is a system run by men to oppress women, as a result the feminist movement came to rise originally for good intent however some radicals have come to rise for other motifs of a complete reversal and not equality have falsly claim as opposed to most moderate feminists and encourage misandry yet denying the existence of it.

This time im not joking and have decided to discuss being serious regarding gender issues and inequality.Should I stick up for my own gender for once or would it be misogynistic to do so?


I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.



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21 Jan 2014, 3:29 pm

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From my understanding the Patriarchy is a system run by men to oppress women, as a result the feminist movement came to rise originally for good intent however some radicals have come to rise for other motifs of a complete reversal and not equality have falsly claim as opposed to most moderate feminists and encourage misandry yet denying the existence of it.

This time im not joking and have decided to discuss being serious regarding gender issues and inequality.Should I stick up for my own gender for once or would it be misogynistic to do so?


I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.
I was just wondering if it should be ok to be sexist against us men and we should just accept the negatives about our gender and ignore anything positive that we contribute to human kind. There are times where I dont know what my purpose of being a man is anymore I thought my purpose to to protect and provide security and emotional comfort for women against other men but im not needed for that anymore. In the end we have no purpose al we are are sperm doners and even without that they can clone, in other wards we are useless and not necessary.


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21 Jan 2014, 10:07 pm

I don't think anyone really has a purpose.
I don't think it's a good thing to have someone wanting to be with you because they need you, though. That's more slavery than love. Why not because they like you?
What's wrong with providing companionship and sex rather than protection?


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21 Jan 2014, 10:22 pm

Kurgan wrote:
I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.


So, just out of curiosity, what are "her female privileges?"


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21 Jan 2014, 10:30 pm

I don't think there is anything wrong with speaking out about radical extremes.



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21 Jan 2014, 11:33 pm

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I don't think anyone really has a purpose.
I don't think it's a good thing to have someone wanting to be with you because they need you, though. That's more slavery than love. Why not because they like you?
What's wrong with providing companionship and sex rather than protection?
Sometimes I feel I have to be needed otherwise I am worthless I just dont want to thought of as just some brainless musclebound testosterone sex craved ape. Or thought of as an oppressor or blamed for the actions of the few. I just wish to find a way to speak up without being labled as a patriarchy supporter or an MRA etc or speak up without being called a white knight or mangina. Its just depressing. Maybe im just whining and should just take it like a man because it would be male to stick up for my own gender if I do.


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21 Jan 2014, 11:38 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
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I don't think anyone really has a purpose.
I don't think it's a good thing to have someone wanting to be with you because they need you, though. That's more slavery than love. Why not because they like you?
What's wrong with providing companionship and sex rather than protection?
Sometimes I feel I have to needed otherwise I am worthless I just dont want to thought of as just some brainless musclebound testosterone sex craved ape. Or thought of as an oppressor or blamed for the actions of the few.

Why do you feel that you are being blamed for the behaviour of others? Surely people judge you based on your own behaviour.


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22 Jan 2014, 12:10 am

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Sometimes I feel I have to be needed otherwise I am worthless I just dont want to thought of as just some brainless musclebound testosterone sex craved ape.


Those are completely reasonable desires to have. And women like to have companions and the support of others too. And they don't appreciate being objectified or stereotyped, just like you don't. Anyone who's not a jerk wants to be cool to people, and they want people to be cool to them.

I can also empathize with the feeling that you don't want to be perceived as a threat or dangerous just because you're a man. It doesn't make our neurological conditions any easier to cope with, that's for sure. It's something that I struggle with all the time. I find that it helps to criticize and dismiss my negative self-perception as they show up, and to also try and project a courteous and positive demeanor to everyone I talk to. Dressing nicely and grooming helps too. It's not easy when you're feeling depressed, anxious, or unmotivated. But it can only improve things if I'm consistent.



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22 Jan 2014, 1:33 am

Would institutionalized misandry as well as encouraging male guilt establish equality thus encouraging womens rights and empowerment due to the fact it being difficult to distinguish the good men and bad men?


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22 Jan 2014, 1:51 am

Ann2011 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.


So, just out of curiosity, what are "her female privileges?"

'female privileges' are the tokens of grace that patriarchal individuals toss on the floor in front of women, in exchange for women being subservient and primarily concerned with their appearances. Things like having the door held, having food payed for on a date, and so on; often it's a two-sided privilege, such as male judges (doesn't occur as much with female judges) handing out lighter sentences to women for similar crimes, with the assumption that women are less capable of controlling themselves and that women have less agency and autonomy.



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22 Jan 2014, 2:30 am

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Kurgan wrote:
I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.


So, just out of curiosity, what are "her female privileges?"

'female privileges' are the tokens of grace that patriarchal individuals toss on the floor in front of women, in exchange for women being subservient and primarily concerned with their appearances. Things like having the door held, having food payed for on a date, and so on; often it's a two-sided privilege, such as male judges (doesn't occur as much with female judges) handing out lighter sentences to women for similar crimes, with the assumption that women are less capable of controlling themselves and that women have less agency and autonomy.
In my opinion I think if a person commits a crime the person does the time regardless of gender just because the criminal is a woman doesnt make her less dangerous and the sentencing should be the same sentencing as a mans sentence! A criminal is a criminal.


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22 Jan 2014, 3:18 am

I know this might sound rediculous or stupid but I think there needs to be a new system one that is neither a patriarchy nor matriarchy but a system that is run 50 50 with half male and half female representatives running the government with 2 leaders with equal power 1 male and one female to make the final decisions on what needs to be done for the best of its people with not one gender being favored over another. Both genders would have to agree on ideas and policies to work otherwise its a no go pass with certain bills. Men and women are paid equal pay and women are given freedom of pro choice. Men and women who commit crimes get equal sentences and both men and women can retire at the same age! Sexism of any sort is unacceptable towards either side and issues both male and female are to be addressed. Male victims of domestic violence are to be as recognized as much as female victims of domestic violence! I dunno something like that, thats my idea anyway.


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22 Jan 2014, 3:24 am

Ann2011 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
I don't think anyone really has a purpose.
I don't think it's a good thing to have someone wanting to be with you because they need you, though. That's more slavery than love. Why not because they like you?
What's wrong with providing companionship and sex rather than protection?
Sometimes I feel I have to needed otherwise I am worthless I just dont want to thought of as just some brainless musclebound testosterone sex craved ape. Or thought of as an oppressor or blamed for the actions of the few.

Why do you feel that you are being blamed for the behaviour of others? Surely people judge you based on your own behaviour.
Thats a relief i suppose. I know I have been notorious for being silly and not taking political matters seriously and such so I felt like it was best for me to be serious for once. Its a very touchy subject so sometimes its easier for me to not take it seriously and start a joke thread and observe from the outside as i watch both opposing parties argue *cough* Patriarchy is a myth thread *cough* But instead i decide to be serious this time and sometimes i go extreme or get overly emotional.


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22 Jan 2014, 4:04 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
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Kurgan wrote:
I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.


So, just out of curiosity, what are "her female privileges?"

'female privileges' are the tokens of grace that patriarchal individuals toss on the floor in front of women, in exchange for women being subservient and primarily concerned with their appearances. Things like having the door held, having food payed for on a date, and so on; often it's a two-sided privilege, such as male judges (doesn't occur as much with female judges) handing out lighter sentences to women for similar crimes, with the assumption that women are less capable of controlling themselves and that women have less agency and autonomy.
In my opinion I think if a person commits a crime the person does the time regardless of gender just because the criminal is a woman doesnt make her less dangerous and the sentencing should be the same sentencing as a mans sentence! A criminal is a criminal.

I agree. Female criminals always have excuses, but so do male ones.



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22 Jan 2014, 4:13 am

LKL wrote:
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LKL wrote:
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Kurgan wrote:
I'd say that roughly 5% of all feminists are misandrists. I went to high school with one fairly radical (albeit not the Andrea Dworkin kind) feminist; she showed no signs of misandry and didn't seem to enjoy her female privileges. She didn't judge me because of my Asperger's syndrome either.

Misandry exists (just like misogyny does), but instead of pointing fingers, this can be solved by less rigid social conditioning in society.


So, just out of curiosity, what are "her female privileges?"

'female privileges' are the tokens of grace that patriarchal individuals toss on the floor in front of women, in exchange for women being subservient and primarily concerned with their appearances. Things like having the door held, having food payed for on a date, and so on; often it's a two-sided privilege, such as male judges (doesn't occur as much with female judges) handing out lighter sentences to women for similar crimes, with the assumption that women are less capable of controlling themselves and that women have less agency and autonomy.
In my opinion I think if a person commits a crime the person does the time regardless of gender just because the criminal is a woman doesnt make her less dangerous and the sentencing should be the same sentencing as a mans sentence! A criminal is a criminal.

I agree. Female criminals always have excuses, but so do male ones.
Quite true, but in defense for men on our part when we leave the toilet seat up we arent purposly doing it to disrespect women, we tend to do it because we get forgetful! We forget that theres a woman in the house and she pees a different way and our mind is preocupied with other junk!


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