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KagamineLen
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26 Jan 2014, 2:36 pm

Let me put in a little perspective.

I have lived most of my life being taken advantage of by females. All of the females in my family saw me, a disabled young man, and they looked at me as a target to vent out all of their frustrations upon. I faced a nonstop barrage of physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and almost all of it came from females. When I tried to stand up for myself, I was ridiculed at best (because I was not acting "like a man"), and labeled a misogynistic monster at worst (because I dared to say that a female was causing me great harm).

I understand that what I went through is a rather atypical situation. But I know firsthand that misandry is a very real problem in today's culture. The MRAs are taking things to the opposite extreme, which I disapprove of.

I have even had people tell me that all of the physical and sexual abuse that women committed against me..... Well, they learned how to act that way from other men, therefore they should be absolved of all responsibility for their actions. I wish I were making that part up. That is exactly what quite a few other people have told me.

Y'know how it is socially unacceptable for a man to tell a female rape victim that she really wanted it? It is socially acceptable in today's climate to tell a male rape victim that he really wanted it if the perpetrator was a female. It is ALWAYS wrong to tell a rape victim that he or she really wanted it, IMO.

Coming from my personal experiences, I find myself seeing some core truth in what MRAs say, but at the same time, I am put off by their elitist attitudes. It feels like neither side wants true equality in this picture.



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26 Jan 2014, 5:49 pm

KagamineLen wrote:
Let me put in a little perspective.

I have lived most of my life being taken advantage of by females. All of the females in my family saw me, a disabled young man, and they looked at me as a target to vent out all of their frustrations upon. I faced a nonstop barrage of physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and almost all of it came from females. When I tried to stand up for myself, I was ridiculed at best (because I was not acting "like a man"), and labeled a misogynistic monster at worst (because I dared to say that a female was causing me great harm).

I understand that what I went through is a rather atypical situation. But I know firsthand that misandry is a very real problem in today's culture. The MRAs are taking things to the opposite extreme, which I disapprove of.

I have even had people tell me that all of the physical and sexual abuse that women committed against me..... Well, they learned how to act that way from other men, therefore they should be absolved of all responsibility for their actions. I wish I were making that part up. That is exactly what quite a few other people have told me.

Y'know how it is socially unacceptable for a man to tell a female rape victim that she really wanted it? It is socially acceptable in today's climate to tell a male rape victim that he really wanted it if the perpetrator was a female. It is ALWAYS wrong to tell a rape victim that he or she really wanted it, IMO.

Coming from my personal experiences, I find myself seeing some core truth in what MRAs say, but at the same time, I am put off by their elitist attitudes. It feels like neither side wants true equality in this picture.

I'm sorry you had to go through terrible experiences :(



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26 Jan 2014, 5:55 pm

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And, most of the men would have all been asking pointers of the PUA and taking notes, while some would be getting some sympathy from the MRA.

Note, too, that the women were much more interested in interacting with the PUA than with the male Feminist. The male Feminist stoked their egos, and they all cheered, but he didn't get a single question from the crowd.

With the PUA and MRA, the ladies were probably thinking "Oh-oh. These guys know too much already. I had better put up some sort of defense to make them work harder on their game."

And, I'm pretty sure that the PUA and the MRA (even with his skirt) would have stood a much better chance at getting some coitus that afternoon than the male Feminist would.

I doubt the show was real. I bet the women asking questions were plants. Very leafy. I found it suspicious they didn't pay any attention at all to Bruce Weinstein and just happened to shower attention on the only guy on the panel with a book to sell, Ross Jeffries the PUA. He does have a website devoted to Speed Seduction btw.
If the show were real, they would have paid more attention to Bruce since he was their advocate imo. His role was one of cheerleader, pretty much. Nothing more.
The show seemed to be more about entertainment and humor than anything else even though the guests were legitimate members of men's right and men for feminism.
Still it's insightful because all of them manage to get their main selling points across.



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26 Jan 2014, 6:53 pm

Ross Jeffries on Dr. Phil

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t62cnVDC0I[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRaYoDA-b_Q[/youtube]


I'm starting to get intrigued by this. I think that it would be quite useful for Aspies to study these techniques. And not just for getting women to spread their legs. It seems that some of these techniques would be useful in other interactions, say, in improving your chances on job interviews, or in dealing with colleagues. And, well, sure, some of us probably wouldn't mind getting laid once in a while.

One of the female audience members says that she won't go to bars any more. Well, aren't women who go to bars hoping to get some cock? She seems rather coquettish.



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26 Jan 2014, 7:50 pm

You can always give their techniques a try but this push and pull thing with today's social media could mean the woman will just go find someone else in her Facebook list if she doesn't feel certain that you are a sure thing.



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26 Jan 2014, 10:01 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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It makes sense evolutionary, if a guy is treating you well paying for everything, giving you a message, he's basically saying that he values you a whole lot, meaning you're the best he can get. So he must be the worst you can do. But if a guy treats you like garbage that means you're just barely good enough for him so he's better than you, you improve your gene pool if you have sex with him.

*smirk* never in a billion years do I think that. Nice guys are awesome. If women would give nice guys their props, they wouldn't be motivated to turn into MRAs. MRAs are men that have been treated badly by women so they become bitter then they claim it's what women want and if that's true, it's really sad. It's just people stuck in a cycle of rewarding bad behavior instead of having the integrity to enter a partnership where both parties are rewarded for the benefits they bring.


AHHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah nice guys are awesome but you would not have sex with someone who is treating you nice.

Just imagine what sex with a nice guy might be like.

"Hey I don't want to sound rude to you, but I bought you dinner, I bought clothes for you, gave you a massage. If it wouldn't be to much trouble, and please don't take this the wrong way, but would it be too much trouble if I could have sex with you?"

or
"You want a massage? How about you lick my balls first? You want me to buy you a beer? Maybe if you were pretty. But beers cost money and you are not worth that , Here I'll get you a water, waiter can you get this lady some tap water?"

Guy number 2 is way more authentic. Nice guy is such a worthless loser. Don't sleep with that guy please, rude guy is so much more awesome.



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26 Jan 2014, 10:27 pm

These 2 statements

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you're the best he can get.

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So he must be the worst you can do.


have absolutely no relationship to each other.


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26 Jan 2014, 10:31 pm

wcoltd wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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It makes sense evolutionary, if a guy is treating you well paying for everything, giving you a message, he's basically saying that he values you a whole lot, meaning you're the best he can get. So he must be the worst you can do. But if a guy treats you like garbage that means you're just barely good enough for him so he's better than you, you improve your gene pool if you have sex with him.

*smirk* never in a billion years do I think that. Nice guys are awesome. If women would give nice guys their props, they wouldn't be motivated to turn into MRAs. MRAs are men that have been treated badly by women so they become bitter then they claim it's what women want and if that's true, it's really sad. It's just people stuck in a cycle of rewarding bad behavior instead of having the integrity to enter a partnership where both parties are rewarded for the benefits they bring.


AHHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah nice guys are awesome but you would not have sex with someone who is treating you nice.

Just imagine what sex with a nice guy might be like.

"Hey I don't want to sound rude to you, but I bought you dinner, I bought clothes for you, gave you a massage. If it wouldn't be to much trouble, and please don't take this the wrong way, but would it be too much trouble if I could have sex with you?"

or
"You want a massage? How about you lick my balls first? You want me to buy you a beer? Maybe if you were pretty. But beers cost money and you are not worth that , Here I'll get you a water, waiter can you get this lady some tap water?"

Guy number 2 is way more authentic. Nice guy is such a worthless loser. Don't sleep with that guy please, rude guy is so much more awesome.


So you can either be a doormat or a complete jerk?
I know that black-and-white thinking can be a problem in AS, but JESUS CHRIST, look up the words "middle ground".


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26 Jan 2014, 10:35 pm

wcoltd wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
wcoltd wrote:
It makes sense evolutionary, if a guy is treating you well paying for everything, giving you a message, he's basically saying that he values you a whole lot, meaning you're the best he can get. So he must be the worst you can do. But if a guy treats you like garbage that means you're just barely good enough for him so he's better than you, you improve your gene pool if you have sex with him.

*smirk* never in a billion years do I think that. Nice guys are awesome. If women would give nice guys their props, they wouldn't be motivated to turn into MRAs. MRAs are men that have been treated badly by women so they become bitter then they claim it's what women want and if that's true, it's really sad. It's just people stuck in a cycle of rewarding bad behavior instead of having the integrity to enter a partnership where both parties are rewarded for the benefits they bring.


AHHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah nice guys are awesome but you would not have sex with someone who is treating you nice.

Just imagine what sex with a nice guy might be like.

"Hey I don't want to sound rude to you, but I bought you dinner, I bought clothes for you, gave you a massage. If it wouldn't be to much trouble, and please don't take this the wrong way, but would it be too much trouble if I could have sex with you?"

or
"You want a massage? How about you lick my balls first? You want me to buy you a beer? Maybe if you were pretty. But beers cost money and you are not worth that , Here I'll get you a water, waiter can you get this lady some tap water?"

Guy number 2 is way more authentic. Nice guy is such a worthless loser. Don't sleep with that guy please, rude guy is so much more awesome.

With me it's more like a period of getting to know someone and then it just happens. Friends first and I am only friends with people who are nice. I am not friends with people who act like ...well...you know. Can't say it on WP it's against TOS.

So niceness ALWAYS welcome and deserves infinite props, applause, love, good karma and rewards!! ! People really should get the message nice = nice.

mean /= nice. People who are mean should not get rewarded, I don't care what their gender is. It's time to end this confusion.



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26 Jan 2014, 10:37 pm

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What are MRA's ?


whiny, self entitled mysoginists that need to grow up.


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26 Jan 2014, 10:40 pm

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement


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26 Jan 2014, 10:59 pm

Im equal opportunity I love and both groups equally the hate part is reserved for radicals of both sides mind you.


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26 Jan 2014, 11:03 pm

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Im equal opportunity I love and both groups equally the hate part is reserved for radicals of both sides mind you.


the difficulty is when MRA's use their grievances as cover for mysoginy and refuse to acknowledge legitimate grievances that feminists still carry.

I would argue it actually does men's rights a disservice because it puts legitimate grievances in a perogitive and damaging context.

I was actually in a situation where i was recieving domestic abuse from a woman and the lack of any men's advocacy shelters meant i couldnt get help. However i wasn't privilege blind and kept in context that abuse suffered by women still by far outweighed anything men experience.


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27 Jan 2014, 11:05 am

Here is Mel Feit (the MRA)

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archiv ... te/267413/

...wearing more conventional male attire....

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They believe men's equal rights are challenged by unfair child support obligations, a family law system that privileges mothers in child custody cases, the trivialization of female-on-male domestic violence, the cultural vilification of male sexuality, and social customs that impose an outdated (and crippling) expectation of masculinity on men.


Well, they do have some good points.

The Feminist response:

Amanda Arcotte wrote:
]MRAs may have a handful of semi-accurate observations, but the fact that they blame feminists for men's problems and not patriarchy shows that they are not interested in real solutions. 'Men's rights,' a term that resembles 'white power' in its belligerence and pseudo-victimization, is a reactionary movement, and the propping up of a few pseudo-liberal leaders doesn't change that. There is already a movement for people of both genders who want to end stifling gender roles: It's called feminism.


Basically: "You MRAs are a bunch of old-fashioned nitwits with a few trivial concerns. We're the ones who know everything."

Feminists are pushing for what they consider female advantages, including the things about which the MRAs complain in the first quote above.



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27 Jan 2014, 11:11 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rihu8_nbhw8[/youtube]



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27 Jan 2014, 11:14 am

The overarching problem is this.

Feminists are of the position that sexual equality has not been acheived (Men still have over-riding privilege and power). They have legitimate grievances that can't be overlooked.
For example, men are still more likely to get higher paid jobs and have greater political efficacy. Economics and politics is advantage where it matters.

MRA's are of the opinion that

1) sexual equality has been acheived, plus some

2) or sexual equality isn't actually a worthwhile goal and it is better to revert back to the old status quo.

MRA's need to state where they lie but given the petulance of most of their delivery, I suspect their position is 2)


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