The Ugly Penalty

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This thread seems so pointless. The most successful people are fat and old, they have the most money. Hate to break it to you but old people are ugly even if they were once pretty.
So what, exactly, is ugly? Fat? I see fat people with jobs. Facial symmetry? Like what? Most people lack it. If you look at their faces, you will see big noses. overbites, eyes slightly different shapes and sizes, freckles of all things, and red hair.

So if the OP would say what he thinks is ugly. Most fat women are considered ugly even if they have facial symmetry. Be specific, please.

And fat guys, we all know the verdict on them. How many guys work out? Some but not a lot and many of them stop once they have a career because they got no time.

My cousin has a good job, makes six figures a year and her eyes are not symmetrical.

Funny thread. The key to making money is smarts and personality that's all it takes. If you have the energy and drive to be determined and persistent, are reasonably intelligent to make it through school, can kiss people's rears to get promotions, can joke around and get people giggling and chuckling, you will make money regardless of what you look like and when someone has seniority at work, they can be wrinkly, grey, and still have huge salaries and respect of everyone in the office.

Reality check, please.

Look at all the grouchy bald headed guys with good jobs and lots of money in the bank. Baldness is ugly but apparently, doesn't stop them. Some guys even go the whole nine yards and get rid of the little hair that remains, go completely commando. Your topic is very vague. You offer no sound descriptions of what ugliness is and you fail to take into account subjective opinions.

I'm ugly. I have a stooped posture, a gimpy walk, no hair on the top of my head, and a deformed left hand.

Yet, I've earned an engineering degree, I own the house I live in, and rent out the other houses I own. My wife is beautiful and she loves me. My children have all grown up healthy, well-educated, and without ever having been shot or gone to jail. My military record is exemplary, and I earned an Honorable discharge.

All this without ever knowing that I was an Aspie (until about 4-5 years ago).

I'm ugly, yet by many measures, I am successful. Any discrimination I've experienced has been because of my gender, my ethnicity, my age, and my "get out of my way and let me work" attitude.

Ugliness a disability? More like just another excuse for some people to whine about how "unfair" life is to them.

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The majority of people are ugly! Younger women are usually considered attractive to men unless they are fat, that's the truth. Men think of youthful women as beautiful even if their eyes are uneven and they have big noses, overbites, lips that are either too thin or too fat. A lot of men consider certain eye color more beautiful than others and it varies what they consider lovelier. Younger women are only younger, not necessarily prettier, based on abstractisms like facial symmetry.
Obesity is usually thought of as unattractive by both men and women yet you only mention facial symmetry.
If a man sees a woman of average weight covered in makeup without wrinkles in tight clothing, hair done-up and fancy, he thinks she is attractive even if she has piss poor facial symmetry.

Most people have uneven eyes, women try to conceal it more with makeup.

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Other people have unsymmetrical eyes? So I'm not the only one?????

There is a site where you can match up your face to a celebrity and for a hoot I did it.I wondered who I resembled.
I did not get matched with any women,I got Jay Leno and (GAG!! !! !)John McCain).I thought it was funny at first, then I became sort of sad.

I think this thread quite successfully, even if unintentionally, lampoons the societal impulse that's constantly trying to find new victim groups or persecuted groups to give special treatment to. When minorities and women couldn't vote or when you had to worry about being in certain neighborhoods over your skin color due to the police or when you had to be of a certain gender or ethnicity to get a bank loan - that was bad. When it's so subtle that we're having assemblies and telling people that anyone who says they aren't racist or sexist is the worst type of racist or sexist around - ie. the type in denial or unaware of their racism/sexism - that's where we get to the goods of this thread.

The paranoia and social discord machine that never ceases to keep people looking at each other looking at each other like enemy combatants. The battle lines drawn in this war of self-oscillating paranoia being the possibility of generating the possibility of generating the possibility of offending where from there you let the person you might have offended know by your panic attack that you might have almost thought about the possibility of having an offensive thought, they start having a panic attack over your panic attack, and you both turn green and find bathroom stalls to lock yourselves in hoping there's no one else either of you might be afraid of offending along the way.

Actually, what's interesting about this thread is that in spite of the fact that we can prove objectively that people with poor facial symmetry and other physical flaws are actively discriminated against, most people don't care.

I think this does have to do with political correctness... We can't make fun of blacks or polacks. We can't tell jokes about women or gays. We can't make fun of people with disabilities anymore (gosh Handi-man used to be funny).

BUT, humans are pack animals and they need an omega--somebody everyone can abuse. We can't make fun of that stuttering asian guy anymore, but we can crack jokes about ugly fat chicks!

Ugly people are the last safe out-group. Nobody will defend them because nobody REALLY identifies as ugly... not really. So, if you are frustrated or having a bad day, or maybe you're just a dick... it doesn't matter, you can always vent your spleen on the janitor with the unibrow and the bad teeth. That's why he's there... Piss all over the floor and make fun of his haircut while he's cleaning up your mess! Doesn't it make you feel GOOD? Sure it does!

This way, even the stupidest frat-boy or Tea party guy has someone to look down upon.

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Plus, as long as we ignore the problem we get ridiculous stuff like this:

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@ Ana,


Okay... Try this....

Go back to your post above and replace ugly people with black people.

Would that be okay?

The whole point of this thread is this--

As a society we have decided that is is not acceptable to discriminate on the basis of skin color, gender, sexual orientation, physical disability, etc.

But for some reason we still think it's alright to discriminate on the basis of appearance (other than skin color).

I'm just curious ad to how that works and how people reconcile these issues...

Sure, personally I don't think we should discriminate on the basis of appearance, but I'm mostly interesed in the psychology of discrimination here...