Maybe we all need to reexamine our dislike of government

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sonofghandi
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10 Mar 2014, 2:33 pm

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People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny. It's pure propaganda. Poor conservatives have been indoctrinated with the idea that the government is an enemy so they will support market deregulation, and cutting social programs; actions that undermine the interests of those same poor conservatives, while strengthening the ability of business to harm the public through unchecked externalities.


Not all conservatives (more like not many) are totally in bed with big business .We do support free enterprise which the left seems to want to topple starting from the top down. The poison that comes with big government just isn't worth whatever little regulation they use to keep big business in check with.


In case you haven't noticed, big business is the government. Your elected officials in DC are there because someone bought them with a sh*t-ton of campaign financing. Our government has been a proxy war for the wealthy fo quite some time.


If that were the case and with big business being replete with hate filled conservatives like me, then the liberals would never get their way.


I would say the banking and finance sector are very solidly Republican, but there are plenty of big businesses (and individuals) that benefit much more from the liberal approach to things (especially the corporate retail sector, as many large franchises rely heavily on the gov't paying welfare and food aid to their workers rather than pay them enough to climb above the poverty line).

Both sides are paid pawns in the corporate game. The only real differences are the mechanisms behind corporate revenue streams in the short term future. Whether a politician wants to regulate or de-regulate something, you can be pretty sure that their financial backers are behind the move. Look at the recent farm bill. Cuts to food assistance (because deficit, budget, blah, blah), but it still carried a higher total price tag, thanks to all the bonus goodies going to large land owners (some of whom helped right it; no conflict of interest there :roll: )

We live in a corporate oligarchy, and there is currently not much you can do about it. Money wins elections, pure and simple.


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10 Mar 2014, 5:19 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
I would say the banking and finance sector are very solidly Republican,


For the 2012 election, Obama brought in more money from banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data.

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“Obama has raised a total of $15.6 million from employees in the industry, according to the Post analysis. Nearly $12 million of that went to the DNC, the analysis shows. Romney has raised less than half that much from the industry while Texas Gov. Rick Perry brought in about $2 million. No other Republican candidate has raised more than $402,000 from the finance sector, which also includes insurance and real estate interests."


They have a funny way of showing they're solidly Republican. You might want to reassess your premise.



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10 Mar 2014, 5:27 pm

Shrapnel wrote:
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I would say the banking and finance sector are very solidly Republican,


For the 2012 election, Obama brought in more money from banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data.

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“Obama has raised a total of $15.6 million from employees in the industry, according to the Post analysis. Nearly $12 million of that went to the DNC, the analysis shows. Romney has raised less than half that much from the industry while Texas Gov. Rick Perry brought in about $2 million. No other Republican candidate has raised more than $402,000 from the finance sector, which also includes insurance and real estate interests."


They have a funny way of showing they're solidly Republican. You might want to reassess your premise.


Just because they back the winning horse - even when that horse is a Democrat - that hardly mans they aren't any less conservative.


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10 Mar 2014, 9:21 pm

I think people need to reexamine their approval of markets and government. I see a trend in people who support governemnt. To view each symptom of a systemic problem in isolation. You can't fix the crime rate with punishment. We need to understand the root causes of specific behavior. What are they? Liberals, conservatives and right-libertarians (I know i'm generalizing here) are afraid of asking that question.

After exploring, I have came to the conclusion that government is not nessesary for a society that rejects competition, in favor of cooperation. Competition is not somthing that is inate either.

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11 Mar 2014, 6:59 am

Shrapnel wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
I would say the banking and finance sector are very solidly Republican,


For the 2012 election, Obama brought in more money from banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data.



They have a funny way of showing they're solidly Republican. You might want to reassess your premise.


To be honest, Obama is more centrist than leftist Democrat (he actually is not too much different than Romney was before switching his public stances for the presidential bid).

Regardless of party, in a second term re-election bid, any incumbant is going to get more money from every large company (especially when polls indicate that there is a better than average chance for re-election). Another thing to consider is the fact that the ACA was happening, and you better believe that the financial sector wanted a piece of that pie (included in that data was the massive sums coming from the insurance industry).

Just wait until a serious Republican candidate shows up touting bank de-regulation.


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