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17 Mar 2014, 4:28 pm

I don't pretend to know God's will.
And as Lutheran/Mainline Protestant, I believe Israel is a term describing faith, not blood. Thus the Christian church is the modern, spiritual Israel, which is the doctrine of Supersecessionism, or Replacement Theology. So, since the coming of Christ, just belonging to the tribe of Israel no longer has any meaning, but being in Christ's grace does.

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17 Mar 2014, 4:46 pm

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Had it BEEN in God's plan, the Germans would have succeeded. Himmler failed. What does that indicate about God's will?

12 million people were murdered during the Holocaust. What does that indicate about God's will?

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17 Mar 2014, 7:23 pm

A priest can justify anything, including genocide, and so can Tom Clancy. They just need imagination. That doesn't make it true.

Trying to explain to 21st century people that genocide is bad and having them argue in return that it's ok if god says so is one of the creepiest aspects of religion. Just...

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17 Mar 2014, 7:29 pm

The God of the bible is a blood thirsty monster. Once you realize that it all makes sense.

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17 Mar 2014, 8:32 pm

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The God of the bible is a blood thirsty monster. Once you realize that it all makes sense.

For the most part, he seems pretty cool in the NT.

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17 Mar 2014, 9:12 pm

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The God of the bible is a blood thirsty monster. Once you realize that it all makes sense.

For the most part, he seems pretty cool in the NT.

Unless your a follower of Marcion, it's the same God. Maybe he repented of his evil ways.

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17 Mar 2014, 9:15 pm

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Unless your a follower of Marcion, it's the same God. Maybe he repented of his evil ways.

He found Jesus.

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18 Mar 2014, 12:46 am

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Unless your a follower of Marcion, it's the same God. Maybe he repented of his evil ways.

He found Jesus.

I know Marcion, so maybe so.
I really should watch what I say, as Marcion was a notorious Antisemite!!

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18 Mar 2014, 1:16 am

I LOVE how this thread has essentially turned into an endorsement of Replacement Theology, one of the MOST hateful, bigoted, murderous theologies in the history of mankind (jihadism is a close second, if only because it hasn't has as long a run). Replacement Theology is the reason my ancestors were chased out of Lithuania and Ukraine. Replacement Theology is what led Martin Luther to pen his blueprint for genocide against Jews, a blueprint Hitler would put on an industrial scale 400 years later. Replacement Theology is the reason Pope Pius XII sat silently by while millions of Jews were butchered. Replacement Theology is the reason why my great-great-grandfather was sent to Auschwitz and my great-great uncle lost his first wife and kids (I have a quick quiz for you: who signed the order sending them to Auschwitz? If you guessed Hitler, you would be wrong. The correct answer is Miklos Horthy, leader of the then-independent Hungary). So do me a favor before you take a $**t on Jewish belief: read the Talmud before saying anything. Until then, STFU.

AM YISRAEL CHAI!! !!

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18 Mar 2014, 1:28 am

^^^
No, it's the misuse of replacement theology that is responsible for Antisemitic outrages.
As a matter of fact, I have some Jewish ancestry in my family, too.

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18 Mar 2014, 1:53 am

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No, it's the misuse of replacement theology that is responsible for Antisemitic outrages.
As a matter of fact, I have some Jewish ancestry in my family, too.

Then I suggest you read Six Million Crucifixions by Gabriel Wilensky. He describes to a T how supercessionism and Church dogma provided the fertile ground Hitler needed and how Hitler tapped into this undercurrent to carry out his plans.

http://www.amazon.com/Six-Million-Cruci ... ucifixions

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18 Mar 2014, 2:13 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

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No, it's the misuse of replacement theology that is responsible for Antisemitic outrages.
As a matter of fact, I have some Jewish ancestry in my family, too.

As far as I'm concerned, that's this Wilensky's guy's opinion, as I know for a fact that neither I, nor anyone in my family or church would ever harm anyone of the Jewish faith. Again, it was misused by people who had hatred to justify, but hardly resembles the rest of us.

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18 Mar 2014, 10:03 am

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"We can not have a next generation of avengers."

Seeing the beginning from the end, God knows what would happen if even one child was allowed to live. You have to presume that any child spared would ultimately become a threat to the Children of Israel in due time.

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Had it BEEN in God's plan, the Germans would have succeeded. Himmler failed. What does that indicate about God's will?

The failure was the Children of Israel doing as instructed...not God's will. God told them what to do. They failed. They got the consequence of not following through with their instructions. This happened many times in the OT.

When God wills something to happen, nothing you do can circumvent it happening. If God tells you to do something and gives you a choice, His "will" is more optional. If you don't do as He instructs, you don't gain the benefit and may even suffer a penalty for not following through with it.

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18 Mar 2014, 11:00 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

"We can not have a next generation of avengers."

AngelRho wrote:

Had it BEEN in God's plan, the Germans would have succeeded. Himmler failed. What does that indicate about God's will?

I see the problem of evil as a product of existing within a fallen creation of man's own doing, so yes, we get to make the choice between good and evil. What we don't get a choice about is in whether God knows those decisions ahead of time, and the only reason we have a choice at all is we lack God's omniscient power.

It could be argued that we really DON'T have any choices, a theme oft repeated throughout the Bible, ESPECIALLY in the OT. I do believe that God works all things, even what man intends as evil, to the ultimate good, and thus nothing we may choose to do will ultimately stand in the way of God's will. In the end, God's will isn't optional at all…we just have the "option" of deciding freely whether we willingly participate in it or not.

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18 Mar 2014, 11:00 am

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That's a separate issue. The sects that rejected Yahweh as a high god would not be welcomed by Protestants or Catholics. They felt he was actually an evil demi-urge and some of them ended up quite dead thanks to Catholic disapproval of their ideas.

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18 Mar 2014, 12:38 pm

AngelRho wrote:

I do believe that God works all things, even what man intends as evil, to the ultimate good, and thus nothing we may choose to do will ultimately stand in the way of God's will.

I am not trying to be inflammatory, but I do have a question about this particular belief. If even the most evil acts of humanity are ultimately going to turn to good at the hand of God, why do you argue so strongly against things that do not fit in your view of Christianity?

I am just curious.

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