WP a liberal forum?

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What is a liberal?

If you go through the polls done here over the years, the forum does skew a bit left, but not overwhelming so, it's more a matter of the "volume" of individual posters.

So you are saying those leaning to the left are more vocal eh?

1. It's a spectrum disorder.

2. I was a liberal before I became a conservative.

What changed? I woke up and realized most of the stuff I believed were LIES. All the promises, all the "this is what life is like" that proved to be false, all of the social justice BS that was supposed to be there fore me and really was not nor ever was there for me...these things made me realize that I subscribed to a political ideology which was greatly askew with how REALITY operated.

At best, you could say they were too idealistic...stating the hope of a utopia as how thing actually are, but frankly, I see now that they love to fill people up with false hope so they are bitter and angry and demanding that the world is forced into a shape it will never hold without severe political oppression of anything that does not fit the ideology.

Not that conservatives aren't guilty of doing the same things....people with an agenda don't tend to play fair or honest, but the ideal of self-reliance, keeping government small and out of people's lives, and responsible economic policy are all proven to be beneficial to society in the long run.

Life isn't fair. You can't make it fair by passing or enforcing more and more laws to make it the way you want it to be. A big part of survival is adaptation to your surroundings. A utopia requires unlimited cheap energy and unlimited resources. We're not going to have that anytime soon, so a political ideology focused on creating a utopia rather than trying to do the best we can with what we have for the greatest number of people simply isn't going to work.

Alex doesn't directly monitor the forums with any consistency, though. What exactly constitutes "racist, sexist, and homophobic language" is more of a fluid thing inconsistently interpreted among mods. "Homophobic language" could mean nothing more than someone saying "I believe homosexuality is immoral," or "I believe homosexuality is harmful to society." I've even been told by a mod that even if a discussion of religion directly deals with the topic of homosexuality being wrong we aren't allowed to discuss it. OK, fine by me…so why is it fair for someone to rail against Christianity/Bible/etc. if Christians aren't allowed to even defend the position being attacked? The TOS also says that users cannot provoke other users, so if this is the issue then the topic shouldn't even be brought up in the first place. The fact that this does happen from time to time with Christians barred by TOS from making counterarguments would make it appear that the site is left-leaning and unfriendly towards conservative viewpoints.

Personally, I don't really care that much about the issue of homosexuality and don't care to whine about it. I'm not gay, and those who are really can do pretty much whatever they want. I only pick on that topic because it HAS been used here to attack Christianity and I've gotten official warnings for participating in similar discussions. So if it isn't open for discussion, I won't discuss it; but it's equally wrong for someone holding the opposing viewpoint to mine to indiscriminately rant about the evils of Christianity in relation to homosexuality while the Christian perspective is silenced. It's provocative and, dare I say it, trollish for someone to bring it up if it can't be discussed.

You must not pay attention to some of the things people say about Obama (no, I did not vote for him, either time) but Conservatives are some of the most *#@& creatures in politics (especially Tea Party Conservatives) It seems as though NOTHING is out of bounds to them. The distortions, incendiary, provocative, disrespectful rhetoric. Absolutely no respect for the office of POTUS. And you talk about "hatred" toward Conservative. Conservatives, from my perspective, start off immediately with rhetoric designed to be threatening, intimidating and dehumanizing. If you want to see respect from me, then don't make references to Liberals that would insinuate we are beneath you, weak, spineless, lazy, freeloading "takers". Stop misrepresenting people who are on welfare, SNAP and other government assistance programs as if they are stealing from you. If you want to characterize a whole group of people by the actions of a few, and use that rhetoric to turn people against each other and then turn around and tell me that you are decent, God fearing, Christian blah, blah, blah, I am going to give it right back to you. The problem is, you expect Liberals to just sit and take the crap Conservatives bow into society because you view us as "weak and wimpy" because we actually believe in the principles that you try to tell us you stand for as far as caring about humanity. When we behave the same way Conservatives behave we are "haters."

Just because we may be soft spoken and mild mannered in appearance and demeanor does not mean we have to sit back and allow you to walk all over us. Your side of the coin wants to provoke and insult everyone in the world in order to demonstrate your "strength,." You use rhetoric that incites the people you refer to as enemies in order to create a situation that you can use to destroy this country just so you can blame the President for the things that your party is responsible for. Tea Party Conservatives would burn this country to the ground and start all over just to prove a point. You cannot peacefully co-exist with anyone. Everything has to be YOUR way. No compromise, no negotiation. Everything has to be a demonstration of power and strength to you. I cannot even "follow" a topic with Conservatives because you do not know or understand how to use words in any way other than to impose your ideology, and your religion.

This is my country every bit as much as it is your, even if I don't wave a flag in your face. And just because I don't personally need or care about guns dos not mean I want to "take away your right to own guns, yet Conservatives use these lies about Liberals wanting to "take away your 2nd Amendment rights," in order to scare people into believing your propaganda.

Now if I were one of your colleagues trying to make the same point about Liberals, I can guarantee you that the rhetoric would be deliberately and cunningly inflammatory and don't dare a Liberal use the same tone or we are being "divisive and hateful" for using the exact tone that Conservatives are known for the world over>

I am saying my piece and will not follow this topic further because I know exactly from experience the kind of deceitful denial and finger wagging gang bang I am going to get for this response. And I can guarantee that very few Liberals are going to step up and agree with what I say here. You have a blinder over your eyes if you think Liberals are being unfair on WP. We are not nearly as vociferous in our opinions as far right Conservatives are. It may not be in WP, but I routinely receive internet death threats (which, of course, are meaningless to you, after all, its just the internet) for merely standing behind a President I did not even vote for when I see the slander, bigotry and hatefulness directed toward him.

Thank you very much, I love you too. Have a wonderful day.

Tell me this and your other typically caustic posts are all just an act.

Ditto.

It's really hard to empathise with you guys when you don't outright state your position on anything except guns. I would like to know why you disagree with things.

We state our positions on a lot more than just gun rights related issues. Apparently you arent looking at other topics. I, for one, do not reply to all threads. Trust me when I say it's better that I don't contribute to some topics.

You must not pay attention to some of the things people say about Obama (no, I did not vote for him, either time) but Conservatives are some of the most *#@& creatures in politics (especially Tea Party Conservatives) It seems as though NOTHING is out of bounds to them. The distortions, incendiary, provocative, disrespectful rhetoric. Absolutely no respect for the office of POTUS. And you talk about "hatred" toward Conservative. Conservatives, from my perspective, start off immediately with rhetoric designed to be threatening, intimidating and dehumanizing. If you want to see respect from me, then don't make references to Liberals that would insinuate we are beneath you, weak, spineless, lazy, freeloading "takers". Stop misrepresenting people who are on welfare, SNAP and other government assistance programs as if they are stealing from you. If you want to characterize a whole group of people by the actions of a few, and use that rhetoric to turn people against each other and then turn around and tell me that you are decent, God fearing, Christian blah, blah, blah, I am going to give it right back to you. The problem is, you expect Liberals to just sit and take the crap Conservatives bow into society because you view us as "weak and wimpy" because we actually believe in the principles that you try to tell us you stand for as far as caring about humanity. When we behave the same way Conservatives behave we are "haters."

Just because we may be soft spoken and mild mannered in appearance and demeanor does not mean we have to sit back and allow you to walk all over us. Your side of the coin wants to provoke and insult everyone in the world in order to demonstrate your "strength,." You use rhetoric that incites the people you refer to as enemies in order to create a situation that you can use to destroy this country just so you can blame the President for the things that your party is responsible for. Tea Party Conservatives would burn this country to the ground and start all over just to prove a point. You cannot peacefully co-exist with anyone. Everything has to be YOUR way. No compromise, no negotiation. Everything has to be a demonstration of power and strength to you. I cannot even "follow" a topic with Conservatives because you do not know or understand how to use words in any way other than to impose your ideology, and your religion.

This is my country every bit as much as it is your, even if I don't wave a flag in your face. And just because I don't personally need or care about guns dos not mean I want to "take away your right to own guns, yet Conservatives use these lies about Liberals wanting to "take away your 2nd Amendment rights," in order to scare people into believing your propaganda.

Now if I were one of your colleagues trying to make the same point about Liberals, I can guarantee you that the rhetoric would be deliberately and cunningly inflammatory and don't dare a Liberal use the same tone or we are being "divisive and hateful" for using the exact tone that Conservatives are known for the world over>

I am saying my piece and will not follow this topic further because I know exactly from experience the kind of deceitful denial and finger wagging gang bang I am going to get for this response. And I can guarantee that very few Liberals are going to step up and agree with what I say here. You have a blinder over your eyes if you think Liberals are being unfair on WP. We are not nearly as vociferous in our opinions as far right Conservatives are. It may not be in WP, but I routinely receive internet death threats (which, of course, are meaningless to you, after all, its just the internet) for merely standing behind a President I did not even vote for when I see the slander, bigotry and hatefulness directed toward him.

Thank you very much, I love you too. Have a wonderful day.

Ditto.

It's really hard to empathise with you guys when you don't outright state your position on anything except guns. I would like to know why you agree or disagree with things.