Libertarians are winning

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The whole thing is very silly. I disagree with libertarianism, but I've seen it argued for sincerely and cogently and reasonably. Safe to say the OP isn't a fan of that kind of engagement.

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This is a silly argument. Do you like everything about America? Surely you should try and change the things you don't like? Makes more sense than giving up the things you like.

Libertarians can't really move to a Libertarian country, because there aren't really any. Monaco is probably the closest, but it is very expensive. A few Caribbean nations may fit the bill, but there are issues there (they might need to fly back to the USA for decent healthcare).

The physiscist Jean Philippe Bouchaud as made economic calculations using models from physic. Turn out his mathematicaly more advanced model say that for reaching a greater economic egality you need to have income tax and that the money is greatly redistributed. So turn out science and reason may said that libertarianism is a bad idea.

And it's not talking about global warming, for which most scientifics consider to be a very real danger. So again science and reason is saying that you're wrong.

I'll have to admit I'm not a connoisseur of Swedish metal bands. Still, he picked a username with the word murder in it. People would expect that out of a mean spirited conservaive like me, but.......

I'm an INTJ.

Me too, though I'm very close to being INTP.

Ditto.

You hear a lot about a "civil war" happening in the GOP, the influence of the Religious Right and the Neoconservatives is waning while libertarianism are ascendent. As someone interested in politics, you'll be quick to realize that the establishment of both parties share very little difference. They're both big money big government corporatists that believe in Neoconservative/Wilsonian interventionist foreign policy and the creation of a police state at home, all the is different is the message and pointless wedge issues which the federal government has no business in. Now why would anybody vote for any Republican or Democrat, why not start a new party? The problem there is that our political system works completely against a third party, the is no proportional representation and the only thing running third party will do is possibly spoil the result for someone else. We have to work with in the two parties, Ron Paul has changed this country more in his 2 failed GOP runs than his Libertarian run ever did.

We don't need a community organizer from Chicago or some self proclaimed "Washington outsider", we need people that actually believes in the principles that founded this country. The only way to protect our liberty is by decentralization. We're all first and foremost individuals with rights endowed to us by our creator NOT the government, the government exists only to protect these rights and has no legitimacy once it infringes on them.

Rand Paul is about as close to a frontrunner for the 2016 GOP nomination as can be right now, Rand has disappointed me on a few things but he is still his father's son and I believe his heart is in the right place. The difference between Ron and Rand is that Rand is a politician playing win not educate so his rhetoric is tailor made to appeal to more traditional Republican voters while still appealing to the base of support that his dad built. Rand is pretty much the only Republican courting young and minority voters, he isn't afraid to have a dialogue with the NAACP or students in the People's Republic of Berkley. In 2016 our domestic security policy, the wars, the bailouts, and the general overreach of government will be weighed heavily or at least should on the minds of voters.

I believe you that the Libertarians are dominating internet discussions.

However, the enthusiasm of internet-discussion participants isn't necessarily going to translate into electoral victories.

Most people aren't Libertarians, and most people don't participate in internet political discussions.

I'm guessing that the Libertarians who haven't been co-opted into the Republican Party will continue to garner about 2% of votes in the general elections.

As I do every time LibertarianAS posts:

On behalf of the the forum's libertarians, I sincerely apologize, and please remember that every tree has it's share of nuts. Thank you.

That is also because the US does not have proportional representation, so voting for anything else than the 2 big parties doesn't work.

In presidential elections (where it is either black or white), you make a good point, but not in elections to the Senate or Congress.

If two US states elect Libertarians in upcoming elections, they'd probably have the deciding votes.

There are several real life examples of this working. Probably the best one is pre-WWI Britain, where the Liberal Party had to appeal to the Irish Nationalists in order to pass legislation. This would have resulted in Ireland becoming autonomous, except for the breakout of war on the continent.

Furthermore, if there are truly a majority of people who would prefer a third party, then it doesn't matter- they should all just go for it!

Particularly if the situation is, in fact, as LibertarianAS suggests, and absolutely everyone who is anyone is now a committed Libertarian.