Ceuta and Melilla? Gibraltar?

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Half of Switzerland is like that. France is too.

In much of Switzerland, you're still seen as a foreigner even if you can speak the language, were born in Switzerland, have lived there all your life and are a second-generation immigrant (secondos). There is no entitlement to citizenship in Switzerland. Half the country is like that.

In fact, some cantons used to repeatedly subject some perfectly OK immigrants that wanted citizenship to endless public grillings. That ended up being ruled as unconstitutional and being thrown out.

Some of the Middle Eastern countries are unbelievably racist when it comes to immigrants. In many of their countries, very few/no foreigners get citizenship.

Emigrating to the PRC and becoming a citizen is essentially impossible. The Japanese rarely really accept foreigners as being "of them", even if they speak Japanese perfectly, have lived there for many decades, have adopted their customs and so on. Even the best of Japologists are not truly accepted, because these people often do not have family or roots in Japan.

Britain is amongst the least racist places in the world.



Far as I'm concerned, it's their islands and they get to choose who they want to live there.

The FIs have suffered a long-term population decline for many decades but in recent times that has stopped and the population is steady. Saint Helena's population is decreasing, with many of their brightest and best going to the UK and not going back.

f they get rights to live there, they are 'Belongers'.



No - I'm talking about Falkland Islanders.

A Falkland Islander is different from a foreigner that was born in the UK and goes to live there (without having other links). They'll still be accepted, of course, but these people have connections to the FIs.



Is there anything online about the case that you're referring to?

There's a difference between not truly accepting someone as a local and being abusive or hostile towards them. First-generation immigrants often have this problem, but it all sorts itself out within a generation or two.



Often times it's not racism that's the problem but religious issues or to do with crime and so on.

No it doesn't. It pushes the parents way to the far-right. It legitimises intolerance towards the other in their own minds.

What you suggest is like pouring water into a boiling hot chip pan.

The best way to create acceptance is for people to be accepting and to basically treat everyone similarly but also gently sow the seed of doubt in their mind and force them to question. So no excuses for bad behaviour on the part of minorities (or the majority). No special privileges but also deal with intolerance when it happens.

The best way to do that is to teach people that all are the same under the skin.




If there was such a problem with discrimination in the Falkland Islands, the media (and the British Government, to be fair) would be all over it. Do remember, after all that there aren't that many foreigners in the Falkland Islands!

I remember reading a story about Bermuda a couple of years ago. A UK British family had moved out to Bermuda about 20 years ago and had set up a business, paid taxes, were perfectly legal - then in an immigration crackdown, the Bermudian Govrnment kicked them out because they did not have citizenship. Bermuda has its own immigration policy (as fo all overseas territories apart from Gibraltar).

It would be, yes, though separately for each island and only if the racism was evidenced to be dominant enough in whole community life that it had inflicted a Jack experience on anyone there. As I have not heard of any such situation in the Channel Islands I'm not proposing it be done there. The reason why when you cite the idea of doing it to the Channel Islands it sounds wrong, is because you have not heard of anything happening there that would make it right, and of course it would be wrong to do it to innocent places that have not behaved as the Falklands did.



You can't force people to be tolerant. It's something that grows organically.

Suggesting crimes against humanity isn't going to make others tolerant. We saw that in 1982.

Exactly. These practices are worth opposing, changeable, and just because they exist does not force acceptance of their existence as permanently inevitable and shrug.
Middle East usually a good human rights model? Or China?
Except in its entry system at the airport. As a statement about our society not our rulers, it's a good relative one to say and remember, but we are visibly in a period of drifting the wrong way.
No
To me there isn't.
It may hurt their egos and is meant to, but - banning intolerance legitimises intolerance? Duh?
No chip pan must stop fairness winning just because it's fairness.
Then size, not lack of problem, kept the number of actual cases small. And not drawing of media or govt interest when it would have been embarrassing for them against all the war elation.

We need never have given them one, nor dione the quid pro quo of placing them outside the UK immigration perimeter. France has retained most of its Caribbean and Pacific island posessions by treating them as actually part of France.
Does this make you against race relations law here?
What ill-treatments of innocent folks am I suggesting?

Ceuta melilla and Gibraltar are hot topics because the Spanish government benefits from them being hot topics.

One of the two major political parties has been known to fund itself ilegally?
Bring up the details once, make sure that you state this is all speculation repeatedly and that there will be further discussion along the line when the topic becomes clearer(Spanish government can decide to kick out a judge at any moment so no judge is going to rule against this major party and they have already fired one of them for doing a too thorough job).
Just after you do this tell all news outlets to focus on :
a) Basque country
b) Ceuta and Melilla
c) Issues with Morocco.

Rinse and repeat.

The Spanish government doesnt want any of this issues to be sorted at any moment because then the news would need to focus on pesky details such as ilegall funding of a political party, the fact that one of the most notorious flamenco stars tripled her salary with state funds by hooking up with the major of Marbella for a couple of years and she wont spend a day on jail and whatnot

The Argentines pull the same crap with the Falkland Islands.