State Affirmative Action bans ruled constitutional

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What is your response to the SCOTUS ruling?
FTW 38%  38%  [ 5 ]
Yea 23%  23%  [ 3 ]
Meh 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Nay 15%  15%  [ 2 ]
WTF 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
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25 Apr 2014, 6:11 am

Don_Pedro_Zamacona wrote:
Academics are supposed to be based on actual merit.


Everything should be based on actual merit....especially today as there is no truth that a minority cannot be educated as well as someone in the majority.

To give someone an opportunity they did not earn purely because they are of a given minority class is in itself discriminatory, and you are only putting a minimally qualified (i.e., unqualified) person in a position that should go to the person who can show they can do it the best of all the candidates being considered.

Society is not bettered by minimally-competent people in positions of authority.



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25 Apr 2014, 6:40 am

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If you really want to get serious about making up for something from a few hundred years ago there are people more deserving than the blacks if you really think about it.


Dismissing all the other nonsense you wrote for the moment, the civil rights movement was barely 60 years ago, and that was by no means the end of institutional discrimination, so you can stop throwing out that "ancient history" garbage. One generation ago, employment discrimination was the norm, and the civil rights movement did not end it, but only began to end it.

Regarding your alleged minority status giving you some kind of authority on the subject, it doesn't.



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25 Apr 2014, 9:31 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Don_Pedro_Zamacona wrote:
Academics are supposed to be based on actual merit.


Everything should be based on actual merit....especially today as there is no truth that a minority cannot be educated as well as someone in the majority.

To give someone an opportunity they did not earn purely because they are of a given minority class is in itself discriminatory, and you are only putting a minimally qualified (i.e., unqualified) person in a position that should go to the person who can show they can do it the best of all the candidates being considered.

Society is not bettered by minimally-competent people in positions of authority.


Resumes with black sounding names get fewer call-backs

So I guess that employment is based on merit without affirmative action? It doesn't seem like it. Many white people are given opportunities they didn't earn so why not give unearned opportunities to everyone else as well?



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25 Apr 2014, 10:35 am

How do you combat racism with racism? Discrimination with discrimination? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, I think if we are ever to move beyond these prejudices we need to start looking at and respecting each other as individuals. Not what color you are, not your genitalia, not your religion or lack there of, not your sexual orientation. We're all different with our own unique stories and struggles, we're not defined by labels or groups. Perpetuating and institutionalizing racism with AA has made race relations worse, it will not and cannot correct any historical wrong and it creates more divisions between us. I haven't met many actual racists who believe that the white race is genetically superior to blacks or hates them purely because they look different, I've met people that are afraid of blacks and see the help and attention they get as undeserved and as an attack against them. I didn't do anything to anyone and neither did my family, why should I be punished? I don't think people that actually live in diverse places could ever support AA if they actually thought about it, I think this something that only the privileged sheltered college Marxists could support who hide away from these people they claim to care so much about.



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25 Apr 2014, 11:05 am

So, you want to ignore all the advantages that your family has accumulated by being preferred over equally qualified people of color for generations. You want to ignore the racial discrimination perpetrated by people who sincerely don't believe that they are racists, as noted in the post above yours. You want us to ignore the fact that you live in the most openly racist state in the US, by public policy.

In a world where the things you choose to ignore didn't actually exist, your argument would not actually resemble a steaming heap of manure.

Many of the wealthiest, best educated communities in the US are the most diverse and also the most liberal. Poor communities in general have higher levels of religious conservatism, worse educational facilities, and more racial segregation. Get your facts straight, and maybe learn a little about actual Marxism while you're at it, Jacoby.



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28 Apr 2014, 11:08 am

ruveyn wrote:
Only the far left pinko stinko commie loving liberals on the court dissented. They do not believe in State's Rights.

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Speaking of states rights, suppose an intiative was put on the ballot in Idaho that would deny voting rights and business licenses to Jews in the state of Idaho, the initiative got enough signatures, was put on the ballot, and passed(by > 50% of the popular vote). According to your argument that should be perfectly legal for such a thing to be done and signed into law.



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28 Apr 2014, 11:44 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
So, you want to ignore all the advantages that your family has accumulated by being preferred over equally qualified people of color for generations.


What about underpriviliged white people? There are white people who have been poor/uneducated for generations. If there is some affirmative action or accomodations it should include them too.



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28 Apr 2014, 11:51 am

/\ It would be better not to have affirmative action for ANYONE.


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28 Apr 2014, 11:57 am

trollcatman wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
So, you want to ignore all the advantages that your family has accumulated by being preferred over equally qualified people of color for generations.


What about underpriviliged white people? There are white people who have been poor/uneducated for generations. If there is some affirmative action or accomodations it should include them too.


Do you lack the ability to understand averages and relative measures?



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28 Apr 2014, 12:07 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
^Yeah, forget all that historical context.

I don't think that your figures distinguish between Asians and Asian-Americans, and I place absolutely no credence in the opinion articles and books you posted, unless and until I see that they are based on evidence.


You are right. They don't distinguish between Asians and Asian-Americans, and they also count people who self-identify as "Pacific Islanders" - as Asians.

However, the evidence is not disputed. Democrats stopped the passage of the affirmative action bill because it would be discriminatory towards Asians.

Quoted: "But the fight over SCA 5 shows how old attitudes are changing. Under pressure from constituents, the Chinese-American senators backed away from SCA 5, and publicly asked the Assembly speaker and SCA 5 author Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, to stop the legislation from advancing".

Quoted: "To discourage Democrats from reviving SCA 5, the group 80-20 is urging Chinese-Americans to register as Republicans before the primaries".

source, http://www.scpr.org/blogs/multiamerican ... americans/

full article about it ...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/1 ... ratic-tent