Are aspies Jews in Egypt?

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It could be that all people are "Jews", i.e. that we all walk the same path. Just that different groups have come different lengths on the path. Aspies might have already passed through all of those parts where you are stuck in the matrix, you are an extrovert etc. I don't know. It kind of makes sense to me that aspies would be old souls because it seems to me that most of the things that neurotypicals think are worth striving for are worthless to aspies, and it seems like aspies are less susceptible to conditioning/hypnosis. Our souls have already done all the crap, our desires are different. We are too good for this world. We do not care about careers, big cars, big muscles etc. We see through all that crap that the others, the agents, are still striving for and fighting for, and we just have the finetuning left.

If she was fetishizing Jewishness it sounds like she had a weird understanding of it already and it was turning a bit fantasy-realm for her.

It's really a big amalgam of Pythagorean and Platonist thought expressed in Hebrew terms. The general message of it is that behind all the physical stuff, the atoms, quarks, etc. lies an input from an infra-reality whose laws lay the template of what we see, that reality becomes increasingly correlated as you travel up the path of a thing's source until they find out that it's all coming from one thing that's eternally inanimate and changeless. It would be too loony if it was a guestimated hypothesis but it seems like this is what people get if they actively try to travel up the line of their own subjective core and microscope deeper and deeper into its center. The 'as above so below' is that tunneling past the physical to what could be deemed ultra-physical or pre-physical layers.

Either they're finding out that Plotinus was right all along or their subjectively mapping the human nervous system to such a degree that they can give themselves some pretty intense psychedelic experiences without drugs and create a whole-reality mnemonic system for file-allocating their brains. Both seem like equally good outcomes if they can bypass becoming social boors with it.

she was into the fashionable variety (think madonna/britney spears), not a lot of deep thinking, just "if you think more positively the universe will give you more stuff"--which to her meant wealth and luxury, because she fetishised that too. she was an extremely materialistic person and rationalised it to herself with "spirituality" like kabbalah and that "The Secret" garbage. needless to say we are no longer friends.

Sounds like a Christian Prosperity church would have been better for her.

The caveat that The Secret type people don't want to let on with this stuff is that the core self, whether people call it higher self or holy guardian angel, really holds the strings in the philosophy that they took their stuff from and if a person goes outside its will they fall flat on their faces as many times as they need to until they understand what 'thy will be done' means.

Are aspies Jews in Egypt?

No.

Does it really need more explanation than that?

Questions like this hints at over inflated, self interested perspective, and maybe a touch of persecution complex.

Everyone has nuerotype, has their own a particular traits, we may be special but so is everyone else. People on the spectrum are getting more reconnection every day. Of course there are social issues, and there are hurdles still but we aren't alone in this.

In regards to employment and economic efficacy i would beg to differ. When you consider that 85 percent of autistic adults are out of work, thats more than a coincidence, self interested perspective or persecution complex.

You are seriously comparing yourself to blacks in 1950s America?

Before anyone can dispute this you are already calling those who might question this as Uncle Toms.

You should be defending your position with an argument, rather than just pre-empting a response by calling people things.

Some people on the spectrum may have trouble getting jobs, but I also take some responsibility for myself, many employers have come a long way to accommodate different nuerotypes, and you can't say there is no recognition at all.

Seeing yourself only as a victim, isn't going to change you situation one bit. What you can learn from the great civil rights leaders, is a stubbornness and refusal to allow yourself to be a victim.

Also if you can't help how you are, then consider that other people even your 'oppressors' may also have this problem, so there has to be some movement on both sides, or some intelligent way of getting round the problem.

Fascinating topic.

As a Hebrew teacher at a local synagogue (though I was not raised Jewish, I just
know the language) and also fascinated by religions and spirituality, I've researched
Judaism quite a bit and have pondered at times that Judaism is
indeed a rather autistic religion in some ways.

It is heavily codified, with the 613 commandments of the Torah prescribing
behavior in all manner of life situations, all of which are expounded upon further
in the Mishnah and Midrash...the Talmud. It has very specific rituals, conducted
in its own language. The commentaries on the Hebrew in the Torah and prayer
book decipher meaning even down to subtleties in how the letters are written
and which letter appears where. Even expected ritual actions, such as full body
swaying and rocking during prayer, are reminiscent of stimming behaviors.

In other words, it just seems like the religion itself was put together by Aspies/autistics!
Couple that with the general Jewish malaise of being "strangers in a strange land"...that feeling of alienation and separation from the people around you which most of us can relate to.

So yes, I think it's a very fitting simile.

Are aspies spiritually ahead/superior to the neurotypical goyim?
That's difficult to say.
I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I certainly feel as though the usual interests, small talk and aspirations of most NT's seem banal and pointless to me. It's as though they are content to skim the surface of life, carried away on the current of fleeting emotions and predetermined social goals, never bothering to dig deep into the depth of the world around them and try to really understand anything. Not all of them, of course, but that's the general impression I get from most. Whereas Aspies seem to catch an interest in something and we do not rest until we understand it to its very core. We are accused of being emotionless and unempathetic, but I think it is the NT mind which lacks passion and devotion to true understanding.

As for psychiatrists, I agree that they are indeed the exoteric priests and priestesses of the modern mind-religion. I have wondered, too, if perhaps the very labeling of autism and aspergers as disorders/disabilities is preventing many of us from truly breaking free and succeeding (breaking free of the Egyptians, shall we say?), because we are told to accept the idea that we are broken and disabled, when in truth aspies of the past were geniuses--hermits, eccentrics, shamans separate from the tribe perhaps--but geniuses. Whereas now I feel like if I did anything of great value to society, and people knew I was an aspie, they would not accept it as an act of greatness, but rather as an achievement from an "autistic"...like "Oh, look how he overcame his disability and did something so amazing, good job little fella! Now, moving on..." Anything I do will be seen as done in spite of a disability, whereas in truth, we aspies are capable of accomplishing great things and understanding things to profound depths precisely because of our neurology.

The economic situation need to be improved. As a advocate I'm well aware of the sort of problem that can be face. However there is always people less fortunate than oneself. It think generalizing and lumping people together isn't helpful.

But these are non-trivial matters, and not all the problem are the fault of any one person. There are practical problems that are difficult to overcome.

I wonder what you are are doing to rectify the situation?

Me personally I'm self employed, that is my way of dealing with the issue. It was tough being in an open plan office, and totally not suited to me, and it was a confusing a difficult time finding my way. But I have turned they way I am into an asset.

However do I see my situation in the past as facing pure bigotry? No not quite, it is really not that simple.

For me intent is really important when condemning.

It would be impossible to have a general policy to accommodate everybody in every business, because so many thing would be contradictory. So it need variety.

As a potential employer it is really difficult to consider all the practical implication of accommodating everybody. Personally I like the idea of free agents, who collaborate. I also question the conventional wisdom of 'career'. On the other hand this isn't everyone's cup of tea.

Well, bully for you. I am sure a lot of people (including myself) have tried to enter self employment but did not prosper for all sorts of extenuating circumstances beyond our control.

You are the exception rather than the rule. The numbers dictate that.

As for bigotry, yes it is bigotry. There is an inherent inclination in NT society to view us as inferior and look down on us with a condescending tone. Its possibly not perfectly contextually analogous to the black issue however there is parallels.

You cannot take your personal experience and apply it to everyone (quite the contrary). The ease of which autistic people are going to find an income are confounded by many factors, including but not limited to:-

* Promptness of initial diagnosis, and therefore access to structured treatment plan and assistance. This is perhaps the most important factor of all because it will go on to affect academic and professional success later.
* School intervention (if any)
* Economic lexicon of local area, whether or not employers in locality are offering 'aspie-friendly' work. Clearly someone in Mumbai, India where there is a emphatic proportion of noisy, and socially orientated, call centre like jobs is going to struggle compared to someone in an IT centre like Silicon Valley, Pasadena. London is also a nice place to be for job choice, that is if you can keep up with the skyrocketing rents and gentrification of local housing.
* General autism awareness among employers. There is still an unfortunate culture among employers to pick a recruitment culture that gravitates towards 'NT-traits' such as interview skills and social articulation at the expense of people who lack these attributes irrespective of whatever else they can bring to the table.

Until at least these above laundry list is tackled in a satisfactory way, I maintain my grievances. None of the Sheldon Coopers or Mark Zuckerbergs blessed with the fortuity of circumstance allowing themselves to carve nice little nooks in the NT world will make me change my mind. I ain't givin' up my seat on the bus, tom.

Don't know if I would say that we are "Jews", or in "bondage in Egypt", or not.

But aspies certainly do have crosses to bear ( if we're gonna reference the Bible why stop at the Old Testament?). We have burdens to struggle with. But so do many non aspies.

I don't think we are 'Jews' but i do think we need our own 'Promised Land' of Aspergia.

There aren't any Jews left in Egypt anyway - they've (almost) all been forced out long ago and their synagogues vandalised and destroyed. There is a tiny community left of old people, but the Egyptian government doesn't really protect them properly.

Oh please get over yourself. I never said self employment was easy, it definitely isn't I it took me a long time to get a footing and had failure along the way. But is difficult for everyone. Most new businesses fail.

Where you and me different is I don't try to make a false lumping together between myself and the whole of the rest spectrum.

I happen to know people who have serious issues like being non verbal, much more basic social skills, neuromotor conditions, etc.

You don't need to school me on the issues.

I don't think your case is more compelling than anyone else, with any __ fill in the gap__ condition.

You are almost making out the every problem you have is directly the fault of the powers that be, for not being psychic enough to know how to accommodate you, and what's more they are bigoted for not knowing.

NTs have never been looked down on, or resented? How come you can make a broad sweeping generalization without any evidence to back it up. Or some conspiracy to holds us back. Since the 1980s people on the spectrum have had increasing recognition. There is more to be done, sure but you have to be realistic.

I hate to break it to you but there is no such thing as NT. There are people who are off the spectrum, so to speak, but they have their own nuerotypes.

Nor do I choose to define myself as purely Asperger's.

Practical always trumps idealism. Especially when it is someone else's fault or responsibility.