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20 Jun 2014, 11:36 am

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if your pro israel then your pro eternal war because thats what israel seems to want since they lobby for it all the time though AIPAC

also if israel is americas greatest ally then we must have some real crap allys because they have attacked the united states navy without even an apology and sold multiple us secretes to the Chinese and thats just what they have been caught doing

I am not pro any of them. All of them behave like jack asses to me. I can see thru this guy's charade though. I doubt there will ever be peace in the region since all of them love trouble. Read the Bible sometime. Even God is said to revel in trouble at times so what can you expect? I am all for living peaceably together but I know that's not what folks like this want, none of them who follow these holy books in a literal way. It is impossible. Simple fact is these Israelis have the upper hand. Some countries got it, others do not. That's just reality. You have to learn to live within reality and folks do not seem to want to do that..


So if hypothetically speaking, a developed western country like the United States was invaded by a more powerful country, Red Dawn style, rather than resist the occupied American people should just glibly accept their overlords?

You see the problem with this logic?

This happens to the US all the time. It is being eroded by outside forces right now.


What? Are you for real? What 'outside forces'?


Yup, Al Qaeda and Afghanistan which we would ignore entirely if not for 9/11. It sucks up resources and manpower. What would happen if we did nothing? What would happen if Al Qaeda were more powerful? We would be in a situation like the Palestinians. What would happen if the Palestinians were stronger? Israel would be in their situation. It's a matter of who is the strongest. I am not sure what you expect will happen. No magic wand is going to solve their problems, not so long as they are so into books written for cultures existing thousands of years ago.



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20 Jun 2014, 11:40 am

the main reason America went into Afghanistan was nothing to do with 9/11. Osama Bin Laden was the whipping boy. NATO were only interested in obtaining control of the trans asian gas lines, especially since the Russians have a tight grip on the other reserves.


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20 Jun 2014, 11:44 am

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the main reason America went into Afghanistan was nothing to do with 9/11. Osama Bin Laden was the whipping boy. NATO were only interested in obtaining control of the trans asian gas lines, especially since the Russians have a tight grip on the other reserves.

You could say all the Homeland Security is an effort for the government to seize control before hostile forces working against it has the opportunity. It's just a dog eat dog world out there at times. Eat or be eaten.



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20 Jun 2014, 11:47 am

Fine, but you can't call foul when an indigenous population physically resists an unwanted force thats there without their consent by calling it terrorism when any North American or European country would behave the same way given the same context.


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20 Jun 2014, 11:50 am

It's all about the oil,the precious oil.precious,precious.


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20 Jun 2014, 11:51 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
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chris5000 wrote:
if your pro israel then your pro eternal war because thats what israel seems to want since they lobby for it all the time though AIPAC

also if israel is americas greatest ally then we must have some real crap allys because they have attacked the united states navy without even an apology and sold multiple us secretes to the Chinese and thats just what they have been caught doing

I am not pro any of them. All of them behave like jack asses to me. I can see thru this guy's charade though. I doubt there will ever be peace in the region since all of them love trouble. Read the Bible sometime. Even God is said to revel in trouble at times so what can you expect? I am all for living peaceably together but I know that's not what folks like this want, none of them who follow these holy books in a literal way. It is impossible. Simple fact is these Israelis have the upper hand. Some countries got it, others do not. That's just reality. You have to learn to live within reality and folks do not seem to want to do that..


So if hypothetically speaking, a developed western country like the United States was invaded by a more powerful country, Red Dawn style, rather than resist the occupied American people should just glibly accept their overlords?

You see the problem with this logic?

This happens to the US all the time. It is being eroded by outside forces right now.


What? Are you for real? What 'outside forces'?


Yup, Al Qaeda and Afghanistan which we would ignore entirely if not for 9/11. It sucks up resources and manpower. What would happen if we did nothing? What would happen if Al Qaeda were more powerful? We would be in a situation like the Palestinians. What would happen if the Palestinians were stronger? Israel would be in their situation. It's a matter of who is the strongest. I am not sure what you expect will happen. No magic wand is going to solve their problems, not so long as they are so into books written for cultures existing thousands of years ago.


the united states has been supporting Al Qaeda lately with arms in syria. they sure are our enemy's
also tons of jews lived in Palestine with no issue before israel was formed, it was only after israel was formed, the land stealing and segregation had started



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20 Jun 2014, 11:58 am

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Fine, but you can't call foul when an indigenous population physically resists an unwanted force thats there without their consent by calling it terrorism when any North American or European country would behave the same way given the same context.


If you have the answer, be my guest to implement it.



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20 Jun 2014, 11:58 am

The USA supported Al Quaeda against the the Soviet Union. They supported Al Quaeda against Colonel Gadaffi. They are supporting them against Bashir Al Assad. Their 'war on terror' reeks of BS. You can smell it a mile away.


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20 Jun 2014, 12:01 pm

Israel has the world by the balls, they accuse Iran of wanting to hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons but Israel does just that with it's Samson Option.

I wish we could just disengage from the Middle East, let the savages kill each other over their worthless strip of land.



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20 Jun 2014, 12:03 pm

The only way to peace in the region is if they themselves want it. One day they will be sick of it but most likely not tomorrow.



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20 Jun 2014, 12:06 pm

Even as a safe haven for Jews Israel isn't fit for purpose. Jews are better off living in London or New York as they always have been.


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20 Jun 2014, 12:14 pm

There's always been Zionists in Europe who wanted to return to Israel and establish a Jewish state ran by Jews and no one else.



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20 Jun 2014, 12:31 pm

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There's always been Zionists in Europe who wanted to return to Israel and establish a Jewish state ran by Jews and no one else.


Yes but a significant number, if not a majority of those Zionists were never Jewish. Up until the Second World war Zionism was regarded as a form of anti semitism because it undermined the diasporic identity of the Jewish people.


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20 Jun 2014, 1:05 pm

thomas81 wrote:
The USA supported Al Quaeda against the the Soviet Union. They supported Al Quaeda against Colonel Gadaffi. They are supporting them against Bashir Al Assad. Their 'war on terror' reeks of BS. You can smell it a mile away.


The fact that the US supported Al Qaeda during the cold war has got absolutely nothing to do with anything. They were still responsible for 9/11, therefore they became a threat, therefore the US launched a war in Afghanistan in order to attack their base of operations. Just because the US supported them in the past, it does not mean that they can't be enemies in the present if they become a threat. 9/11 happened 3 decades after Afghanistan's war with the Soviet Union.



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20 Jun 2014, 1:45 pm

Jono wrote:
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The USA supported Al Quaeda against the the Soviet Union. They supported Al Quaeda against Colonel Gadaffi. They are supporting them against Bashir Al Assad. Their 'war on terror' reeks of BS. You can smell it a mile away.


The fact that the US supported Al Qaeda during the cold war has got absolutely nothing to do with anything. They were still responsible for 9/11, therefore they became a threat, therefore the US launched a war in Afghanistan in order to attack their base of operations. Just because the US supported them in the past, it does not mean that they can't be enemies in the present if they become a threat. 9/11 happened 3 decades after Afghanistan's war with the Soviet Union.

uh they are supporting them right now