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Whose a better president
Poll ended at 11 Jul 2014, 2:22 am
Bush 36%  36%  [ 12 ]
Obama 64%  64%  [ 21 ]
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26 Jun 2014, 2:48 pm

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Both are pathetic on foreign policy, both infringe on our rights, under Obama however our nation is very racially divided and is probably going to be renamed "The New Mexican States of America" due to the ever increasing influx of illegal immigrants anchored by their children. America is also collapsing socially. Under Bush the latter was not happening as much.
Ditto Raptor's statements, "which one was worse".


Any racial division happening is caused by the Obama haters who cant's stand the fact that we have a black president, and so want to roll back voting rights and other civil liberties for blacks and other racial minorities, as they see their beloved white supremacy slipping away.
Just where have whites been legitimately discriminated against since Obama came to office? And no, those three or four social misfits in the New Black Panther Party standing outside one polling place hardly counts.


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26 Jun 2014, 3:14 pm

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Both are pathetic on foreign policy, both infringe on our rights, under Obama however our nation is very racially divided and is probably going to be renamed "The New Mexican States of America" due to the ever increasing influx of illegal immigrants anchored by their children. America is also collapsing socially. Under Bush the latter was not happening as much.
Ditto Raptor's statements, "which one was worse".


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Any racial division happening is caused by the Obama haters who cant's stand the fact that we have a black president, and so want to roll back voting rights and other civil liberties for blacks and other racial minorities, as they see their beloved white supremacy slipping away.

If it were for example John Kerry(a white D) vs. Herman Cain(a black R) who would you vote for? If you'd vote for Kerry it could only be out of racism by the standards of the Obama race baiters.

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Just where have whites been legitimately discriminated against since Obama came to office? And no, those three or four social misfits in the New Black Panther Party standing outside one polling place hardly counts.
Yes, having black panthers hanging out at the polls is as bad as having clansmen there. By continuously claiming that black against white racism is nonexistent or insignificant you're actually contributing to the perpetuation of racism.


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26 Jun 2014, 3:49 pm

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AntDog wrote:
Both are pathetic on foreign policy, both infringe on our rights, under Obama however our nation is very racially divided and is probably going to be renamed "The New Mexican States of America" due to the ever increasing influx of illegal immigrants anchored by their children. America is also collapsing socially. Under Bush the latter was not happening as much.
Ditto Raptor's statements, "which one was worse".


Kraichgauer wrote:
Any racial division happening is caused by the Obama haters who cant's stand the fact that we have a black president, and so want to roll back voting rights and other civil liberties for blacks and other racial minorities, as they see their beloved white supremacy slipping away.

If it were for example John Kerry(a white D) vs. Herman Cain(a black R) who would you vote for? If you'd vote for Kerry it could only be out of racism by the standards of the Obama race baiters.

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Just where have whites been legitimately discriminated against since Obama came to office? And no, those three or four social misfits in the New Black Panther Party standing outside one polling place hardly counts.
Yes, having black panthers hanging out at the polls is as bad as having clansmen there. By continuously claiming that black against white racism is nonexistent or insignificant you're actually contributing to the perpetuation of racism.


First point - no. Obama supporters would never support Cain the pizza man because he's an idiot. His skin color doesn't give him a by.
Second point - I know of only one incident with the New Black Panthers, while voter suppression involving the Klan are probably too many to count. The New Panthers don't have the violent history to make them legitimately intimidating, and I really have to ask if how many whites even knew who the hell they were.


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26 Jun 2014, 4:03 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
AntDog wrote:
Both are pathetic on foreign policy, both infringe on our rights, under Obama however our nation is very racially divided and is probably going to be renamed "The New Mexican States of America" due to the ever increasing influx of illegal immigrants anchored by their children. America is also collapsing socially. Under Bush the latter was not happening as much.
Ditto Raptor's statements, "which one was worse".


Any racial division happening is caused by the Obama haters who cant's stand the fact that we have a black president, and so want to roll back voting rights and other civil liberties for blacks and other racial minorities, as they see their beloved white supremacy slipping away.

If it were for example John Kerry(a white D) vs. Herman Cain(a black R) who would you vote for? If you'd vote for Kerry it could only be out of racism by the standards of the Obama race baiters.

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Just where have whites been legitimately discriminated against since Obama came to office? And no, those three or four social misfits in the New Black Panther Party standing outside one polling place hardly counts.
Yes, having black panthers hanging out at the polls is as bad as having clansmen there. By continuously claiming that black against white racism is nonexistent or insignificant you're actually contributing to the perpetuation of racism.


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First point - no. Obama supporters would never support Cain the pizza man because he's an idiot. His skin color doesn't give him a by.

Then that means that Obama critics are only critical because he's a democrat, and that includes the birthers. It cuts both ways....

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Second point - I know of only one incident with the New Black Panthers, while voter suppression involving the Klan are probably too many to count. The New Panthers don't have the violent history to make them legitimately intimidating, and I really have to ask if how many whites even knew who the hell they were.

I'll have to remember that term "legitimately intimidating" that you used right there. Maybe the next time we talk about guns in church....


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26 Jun 2014, 4:54 pm

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Do you seriously believe Obama opponents like the birthers only are against him because he's a Democrat? If so, I have a bridge in New York I want to sell you.


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26 Jun 2014, 5:11 pm

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So it's all about race, then?
Back to the Herman Cain question: By your own logic, if you would have voted against him for any white man it could only be for reasons of racism. We can go round and round with this for page after page. You paint all conservatives as racists and because of that you cannot see objectively.


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26 Jun 2014, 5:43 pm

If it's true that Bush had to be informed that there're 2 different kinds of muslims (shiite and sunnite) there's no worse possible option :wink:


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26 Jun 2014, 8:08 pm

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26 Jun 2014, 10:25 pm

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So it's all about race, then?
Back to the Herman Cain question: By your own logic, if you would have voted against him for any white man it could only be for reasons of racism. We can go round and round with this for page after page. You paint all conservatives as racists and because of that you cannot see objectively.


I've said it more times than I can count - - I do not believe every Republican is a racist. But the simple fact is, racists have led the Anti-Obama charge, particularly with the tea party and birthers. Their racial prejudice is undeniable by their own statements and motivations. Show me where Democratic opposition to Herman Cain ever made any racist statements against him.


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26 Jun 2014, 11:10 pm

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Raptor wrote:
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So it's all about race, then?
Back to the Herman Cain question: By your own logic, if you would have voted against him for any white man it could only be for reasons of racism. We can go round and round with this for page after page. You paint all conservatives as racists and because of that you cannot see objectively.


I've said it more times than I can count - - I do not believe every Republican is a racist. But the simple fact is, racists have led the Anti-Obama charge, particularly with the tea party and birthers. Their racial prejudice is undeniable by their own statements and motivations. Show me where Democratic opposition to Herman Cain ever made any racist statements against him.
Does being called an "uncle Tom" by liberals count? Google it.


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26 Jun 2014, 11:38 pm

Since I became old enough to vote every President has struck me as worse than the one before. I didn't make a choice in the poll, though, because to say that Dubya was "better" would be to give him far too much credit. Both are pathetically small, shallow, unintelligent, unprincipled, uninteresting men, motivated chiefly by the desire to acquire and maintain power, and without the slightest concern for the Constitution or the principle of individual rights.

It's hard to believe that this country once had the choice between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.



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26 Jun 2014, 11:52 pm

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27 Jun 2014, 1:15 am

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
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So it's all about race, then?
Back to the Herman Cain question: By your own logic, if you would have voted against him for any white man it could only be for reasons of racism. We can go round and round with this for page after page. You paint all conservatives as racists and because of that you cannot see objectively.


I've said it more times than I can count - - I do not believe every Republican is a racist. But the simple fact is, racists have led the Anti-Obama charge, particularly with the tea party and birthers. Their racial prejudice is undeniable by their own statements and motivations. Show me where Democratic opposition to Herman Cain ever made any racist statements against him.
Does being called an "uncle Tom" by liberals count? Google it.


Yes, yes, I know Democrats have called the pizza man an Uncle Tom. When have I ever said that the pizza man was an Uncle Tom? I only called him hardhearted and stupid, same as any other right wing Republican.


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27 Jun 2014, 8:06 am

Im going to go with the nobel peace prize.



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27 Jun 2014, 8:59 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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So it's all about race, then?
Back to the Herman Cain question: By your own logic, if you would have voted against him for any white man it could only be for reasons of racism. We can go round and round with this for page after page. You paint all conservatives as racists and because of that you cannot see objectively.


I've said it more times than I can count - - I do not believe every Republican is a racist. But the simple fact is, racists have led the Anti-Obama charge, particularly with the tea party and birthers. Their racial prejudice is undeniable by their own statements and motivations. Show me where Democratic opposition to Herman Cain ever made any racist statements against him.
Does being called an "uncle Tom" by liberals count? Google it.


Yes, yes, I know Democrats have called the pizza man an Uncle Tom. When have I ever said that the pizza man was an Uncle Tom? I only called him hardhearted and stupid, same as any other right wing Republican.


Bolded for you, unless you're going to re-define democratic opposition to suit your own needs.
And if I called Barack Obama hardheaded and stupid, same as any other left wing democrat you'd scream RACISM!!


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27 Jun 2014, 12:34 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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So it's all about race, then?
Back to the Herman Cain question: By your own logic, if you would have voted against him for any white man it could only be for reasons of racism. We can go round and round with this for page after page. You paint all conservatives as racists and because of that you cannot see objectively.


I've said it more times than I can count - - I do not believe every Republican is a racist. But the simple fact is, racists have led the Anti-Obama charge, particularly with the tea party and birthers. Their racial prejudice is undeniable by their own statements and motivations. Show me where Democratic opposition to Herman Cain ever made any racist statements against him.
Does being called an "uncle Tom" by liberals count? Google it.


Yes, yes, I know Democrats have called the pizza man an Uncle Tom. When have I ever said that the pizza man was an Uncle Tom? I only called him hardhearted and stupid, same as any other right wing Republican.


Bolded for you, unless you're going to re-define democratic opposition to suit your own needs.
And if I called Barack Obama hardheaded and stupid, same as any other left wing democrat you'd scream RACISM!!


Okay, I concede some Democrats had crossed the line calling the pizza man an Uncle Tom - I sincerely had forgotten some disrespectful persons had called him that.
And as a matter of fact, you can call Obama stupid and hardhearted all you want, and I swear, I won't call you racist. It's only if you start making charges of his alleged Kenyan birth, or being a secret Muslim or the like that I would scream about there being some sort of racist component.


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