Australian comedian on social skills and why gun cntrol wrks

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Thanks for making my case, Dox.

What are my qualifications? What are your assumptions about me? At least I had a heads up with your avatar.



While I can agree that comedians don't make the best commentators, I think excluding non-US folk from any general discussion on the issue is exclusionary. And I welcome any comments on the Aussie experience. As for it being the conservative party in Oz that brought in gun control, it doesn't much matter who brought it in. The 1996 decision had bipartisan support.

I could be wrong but it's possible that you treat those outside the US as having the same polarized opinions as is typical in the US. Except for a small minority, we don't. Here, it's not 'With me or against me.'

Aside from your question of our eligibility to even be part of the discussion (which I disagree with), and the ridiculous assumptions made about why us Aussies would even care - aside from all that - my daughter married a marine and lives in CA. Does that not give me at least the right to care about the circumstances in which she lives? Just as I would have the right if she were living in Tehran or Joburg or Paris. She has already told us stories (and she loves to shoot), such as a shooting range they went to, where people kept shooting, regardless that others were on the range collecting their targets.

Be careful what you assume. I'll give you a tiny insight. In high school, I was the best competition shooter in the school gun club, and won against competitors from prestigious schools. (Being Aspie, I think I was more in tune with precision, who knows.) I'm not upper class, not even upper middle. I enjoyed shooting as a competitive skill. My father used to take us into our suburban backyard and have us target shooting against the garage wall (for safety). I enjoyed that too. I just never got invested in it.

Russia has a higher murder rate than the US, even though gun laws are much more restrictive. Gun-free Australia has a higher murder rate than the Netherlands or Switzerland, where people can get semi-automatic weapons.

Yet most of the murders in Oz are contained to the underworld.

If you want to talk stats, we have a much higher rate of rapes here (per head of population), though a lot of that is attributed to people being 'statistically' less frightened of reporting a rape.

The stressful thing is not knowing who is in the underworld. I am forced to assume everyone is. Maybe most employers regularly murder their staff. We don't know

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lol.. this isn't Italy. Our underworld is so small, even the drama shows about them are limited in scope.

Maybe you all watch too much American TV over there.......

The comedian in question is Jim Jefferies, who lives in LA. The show in question was recorded in Boston, and the key point he was making with his routine is that the only legitimate argument for keeping your guns is "We like our guns" and that such a position is sufficient justification.

As for the black market value of an AR-15, I'll defer to your superior familiarity with the criminal underworld.

That was at a shooting range? No shooting range I've been on ANYWHERE would allow that. People arent even allowed to touch their guns while the range is "cold". Anyhoo, I'd be more concerned about traffic accidents in California than being the victim of a gun accident. I don't see you fretting over that.


Congratulations on your competitive shooting (I mean that), but what is the depth of your shooting experience and knowledge beyond that?


What exactly were you shooting that you could do so legally in the suburbs and at the same time not damage the garage?

What case? You attempted to dismiss me, "oh, a gun nut, well we know what he's going to say", and I pointed out that I have a lot of expertise on the subject, and questioned your own. Further, you've yet to actually answer any of my arguments concerning gun control, simply acting superior, which is sadly typical for the board.

Just to clarify, he mentions earlier in the routine that he lives in the US with his son and wife and apparently has been here for a while. When he mentions 'delivered to your house' and '$34,00 on the black market' he's also talking about the US.

I think this is relevant to what you're talking about: Why Are The States So Red and Blue?

I imagine we got the impression he was an Aussie from this. \/

"In Australia, we had guns, right? Right up until 1996, and then in 1996 we had the biggest massacre on Earth. In the 10 years before Port Arthur, there were 10 massacres, since the gun ban there hasn't been a single massacre since. I don't know how or why this happened- maybe it was coincidence, right?"

I think he's just an idiot.


You dont get firearms delivered to your house in the US unless you have an FFL (Federal Firearms Licence) and they don't just give those away. That is a dealer's license that has to be applied for. You can order a gun online but it has to be shipped to a dealer. The seller has to have a copy of the dealer's FFL sent to them before they'll ship it.
The $34k for a "black market" AR-15 is still BS. If it's not then I've got two of them that I'll sell for $62k for both. that way you save $6k and I 'll have $62k to replace them with and also buy a buttload of other guns.

I meant, that he emigrated to the US from Australia. but he says in the video that 'recently he's found he's starting to think more like an American than an Australian', or something like that.
And I didn't mean for the original post come across as an endorsement just like food for thought.

/\ Whatever, but in that one quoted paragraph the comedian in question comes off as the typical anti-gunner.

I feel like I keep having to clarify things that shouldn't need to be stated explicitly.

most black market guns I've heard of have been below market value. the gun cost nothing for the seller to get so selling it for half it's worth is all profit. and they get rid of illegal property.