To Indict Or Not To Indict - You Be The Jury

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I'm unsure of what the cause actually is. :/

If it's police abuse in certain communities, then that's easy to show.

If it's police conduct in prosecuting the law, then that's a problem with the law, not the police.

Are you going to actually DO something about it, or are you just going to continue to make whiny posts?
I think that it's time to put Jacoby on 'Ignore'.
The way the citizens of Ferguson responded to a lawfully-made determination exemplifies why the police react to them the way they do. Being responsible for keeping the peace in a city full of rioters, looters, thieves and thugs would make any person more likely to resort to deadly force than diplomacy, and until the citizens change their ways, they're going to have exactly the kind of police force they deserve -- an armed, edgy, and potentially deadly police force.

So what are you going to DO about it? Besides whine about it, I mean.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy, this is the response they wanted so they could turn around and point at to say "see, this is why we're justified to occupy your streets and kill your people". What are people suppose to do when the entire system is corrupted? Police are not held to the same law that they're suppose to uphold. Asking what am I going to do, what are trying to say here? I'm a whiner? What are you advocating? I think every cop in this country should have body cams on them and I think that all that footage should be made public. You'd have a lot politer and less brutal police force.

I like the idea, but are there any legal hurdles related to privacy?

The hurdles are basically the police unions, they don't want these videos to be public record and don't want these videos admissible in court. It's not just abuse, a lot of cops like just screw off on the job too and don't want the extra scrutiny. It would be good for cops too tho since if someone knows they're being recorded then they might behave differently and won't be able to lie. The money it costs to implement this is less than the amount of money they would save from the money they owe from getting sued because of abuse.

Well, the easy thing to do is to tell them to just turn them on when prosecuting the law, i.e., making an arrest.

problem with that is they just won't turn them on when using force

they need to be on their entire shift imo and publicly available, cops should be more scrutinized than anyone.

It's far more likely that people will be abused/harmed by people they know or a random person than by the authorities in most Western communities, so why would the police need to be scrutinized more so?

It's throwing the nanny state on the police, when it should be thrown on nobody. The separation of powers has worked well for the majority of people, and asking more is just going to hinder people that are innocent.

And you're far more likely to be killed by a cop than you are ISIS so what is your point? If cop's jobs are to uphold the law then they need to follow it. They always say to civilians that if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide so its about time that logic is turned back on them.

What does ISIS have to do with civil law?

Yeah, and if it's good for the police to wear cameras all the time, then it's good for us too (since we're the ones that are most likely to harm one another), that's my point.

Cameras would really help in common self-defense situations for the common person, don't you think?

You would think we at least have the right to know how our tax money is being used, to know if the officers paid to protect the community are doing their job effectively.

I can't imagine that cams will ever happen. They would probably fight such a proposal with excuses about officers' privacy rights, and claim that the recordings can fall into criminal/ terrorist possession, endangering the lives of police.

Anti-terrorism laws target American citizens, we spend billions of dollars going over there to fight this threat when there is a bigger one patrolling our streets.

Most people do carry cameras with them now, try filming a cop with your phone next time you have to deal with them and see how they react.

Cops have zero right to privacy on the job.

I don't think there is ever justification to shoot an unarmed person. Well, maybe ok for females, but for me, any man that shoots another man who is unarmed is weak and spineless. Fight for your life. Or escape and make apprehension at a safer time, with assistance. There is no justification or cower behind macho pride. Humanity trumps macho pride. The police are familiar with the suspect. Avoid confrontation until it is safer. Issue a warrant. They know who he is and where he lives. Warrants are issued on people everyday, even in Ferguson Missouri. None of this had to happen over a box of cigarillos. The Sheriff knocks on doors in my apt building all the time serving warrants. When you make assumptions about how people are going to react to a situation you treat those people as if they have already lived up to your assumptions they will pick up on that and react accordlingly. I was not there to hear the tone of the officers voive,. Isn't it conceivably possible that the officer used words and actions in a way that were completely disrespectful and humiliating to the suspect? We were not there. We don't know. We just assume the big black kid, because he is a big black kid, reacted aggressively and violent without cause. There are many intangibles. Police are too quick to make assumptions and act on those assumptions.

May I remind Chagya that they must justify their position with recourse to the information contained in the documents...

Though I can certainly see why people query the jury's decision, given what I've seen in this forum. If this is the standard of logical reasoning among the populace they're drawn from... it's like the joke, "do you really want your fate decided by 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty?"

I have not updated on any evidence yet. Still between a manslaughter charge and no charge.

You are also far more likely to be killed by lightning, a falling piano, and most other things (unless you are a criminal), thanks to the troops.

No difference.