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Odin
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25 Dec 2007, 1:51 pm

Much of the ludditism around today seems to stem from Baby Boomer New Age crap hijacking portions of the enviromentalist movement and turned things like reducing enviromental destruction and reducing carbon dioxide emissions from scientific and economic issues into moralistic rantings that do nothing but piss people off and make them open to be fooled by global warming denialists and similar lying malcontents.


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25 Dec 2007, 3:29 pm

I'm a leftist and i don't think that technology is bad. I don't fear the matrix, or super-animate AI. I can't wait for technology to become more organic really. That's when man will definately benefit from it's advances.



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25 Dec 2007, 8:45 pm

Averick wrote:
I'm a leftist and i don't think that technology is bad. I don't fear the matrix, or super-animate AI. I can't wait for technology to become more organic really. That's when man will definately benefit from it's advances.


I agree with Ray Kurzweil that we will eventually merge with our technology by becoming cyborgs, over the decades we will become less and less biological as we gradually replace our biological organs with artificial structures, finally replacing our biological brain cells with artificial ones neuron by neuron (and since the brain will be made artificial very slowly the continuity of the self will be maintained). We won't be taken over by some Terminator-style rise of the machines, we will become the machines.

I thunk us left-wingers should embrace techno-progressivism and transhumanism, it's the best way to reverse the destruction of the enviroment and stort society on the path towards the mostly post-scarcity society dreamed of by futirists in the 60s.


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26 Dec 2007, 9:57 am

It's not the technology that's a problem, it's the lack of progress in human social development that permits the increasing power of technology to be used by primitive social systems to create devastating catastrophes. Responsibility must accompany technological power and that does not seem to be happening.



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27 Dec 2007, 10:44 pm

Odin wrote:
Averick wrote:
I'm a leftist and i don't think that technology is bad. I don't fear the matrix, or super-animate AI. I can't wait for technology to become more organic really. That's when man will definately benefit from it's advances.


I agree with Ray Kurzweil that we will eventually merge with our technology by becoming cyborgs, over the decades we will become less and less biological as we gradually replace our biological organs with artificial structures, finally replacing our biological brain cells with artificial ones neuron by neuron (and since the brain will be made artificial very slowly the continuity of the self will be maintained). We won't be taken over by some Terminator-style rise of the machines, we will become the machines.

I thunk us left-wingers should embrace techno-progressivism and transhumanism, it's the best way to reverse the destruction of the enviroment and stort society on the path towards the mostly post-scarcity society dreamed of by futirists in the 60s.


I hope I don't one day concede to being a cyborg. That would definately blow... Just think, what if one day we have to plug ourselves in, or get an oil change. Man, I can't get relief from anything. Not anymore routines, please.



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27 Dec 2007, 11:53 pm

skafather84 wrote:
why are so many people afraid of technology and the technological progress of man?


this question goes beyond simply the religious people who go against knowledge and technology as a sin of man against god....i'm talking the anarchists and leftists who believe that technology is a problem rather than the amazing help and solution that it has been for us.



"All technologies converge toward the same spot, they all lead to a Deus ex Machina, a machine-God. In a way, technologies have negated the transcendental God in order to invent the machine-God."

Paul Virilio


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