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30 Dec 2014, 5:57 am

Some black people are racist against hispanics and "viceversa". There you have an answer.



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30 Dec 2014, 9:49 am

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Some black people are racist against hispanics and "viceversa". There you have an answer.

Everyone is racist and sexist, but white males are blamed because we are far and away the best at it.

Look at our side, we are what everyone wants to get over on. Besides the usual, ethnics and females, we get the white male infighting. It is like dealing with a bunch of children, calling names, making threats they cannot back up, who have to be told to sit down and eat your vegies, do your homework, or whatever.

Women demand equality, then yell sexism when treated like a male. Maybe that worked on your daddy, boyfriend, or someone who wants to get in your pants, but to the vast majority, you are some stranger with a big mouth, who thinks I care.

The root of white maleism is a friend of mine, he fired his whole crew, one at a time, because his business was his life, and it was supposed to be fun. They were all white. It is the adult version of being sent to your room, by someone who is not your parent.

Wives, children, family, the tax man, we have all the problems we can deal with.

We are much harder on other white males.

There are human standards of behavior, those who violate them are soon gone, or never let in the door.

Many women and minorities have made their way to the top of the world, and many white men have been stuck working in a sawmill all of their life. Dave Thomas founder of Wendy's was an orphan, not much education, took his first job flipping burgers to owning a national chain. He was good at running other low wage and education workers.

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30 Dec 2014, 10:10 am

I hope that question was posed in jest;

Otherwise, it's a ridiculous question.

Racism cuts across all ethnic, racial, etc. lines.

We have to look at individuals, rather than "groups."



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30 Dec 2014, 10:15 am

Anyone can be racist regardless of their skin colour or ethnic background. There was a black girl at my school who is racist towards Jewish people and another black girl who used to whisper "Chinese" in my ear.

I've met a couple of Chinese people who are racist. They called white people "ghosts" in Cantonese (I don't quite know how to spell the word) and people of different skin colours other horrible words.

I think that someone being racist is due to their upbringing and influences in life. And if one individual is racist, it doesn't mean that every other person belonging to the same group is also racist. Those racist black girls from my school don't mean that every black person is racist too. It is the same with white men.



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30 Dec 2014, 5:39 pm

Theres racism everywhere the assumption that only caucasians are racist is racist itself! I get sick and tired of the assumption that you are born to be racist on the basis of having less melanin. Non caucasians are racist to eachother as well.


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30 Dec 2014, 5:42 pm

Yes, everyone can be racist. The SJW redefinition is just a way for them to rationalize their own hate.



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30 Dec 2014, 5:50 pm

IMHO people who diss other people on account of their relative differences in skin tone, show a lack of imagination.



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30 Dec 2014, 8:10 pm

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It is only fear of being labelled racist or sexist that keeps most men from pointing out the facts that non-whites can be racists and females can be sexist.


Being a white woman, then I guess it would be OK for me to say that women can be sexist, but I should steer clear of saying non-whites can be racist.

Maybe I should, but I won't, because I have come across plenty of non-white racists. I once had a non-white friend who exclaimed "I hate white people!" in front of me one day. "What?" I said. She replied "they are all ignorant a$$holes." To which I replied "My what? wasn't asking for clarification. It was meant to remind you that I am white." Someone might say she clearly couldn't be racist if I was her friend, but of course she could be. I was her token "wh***y," seen as "not like the rest of them," which is still a highly racist point of view. The rest of all whites? Give me a break!

I think the reason people feel that women and non-whites can't be *ists is because they are not in a position of power and I think some people believe the only people who can discriminate are those in a position of power.

I suppose I could see an argument for that on an institutional level, but *ism doesn't only exist on an institutional level, and many people have only experienced it on a personal level.

I think it is all BS. The same as I think it is BS that only women and minorities can have "exclusionary" clubs. Or scholarships, or whatever. Can you imagine a group sponsoring a scholarship for white men only? Yet it is OK for there to be scholarships for black men only. Same with women. IMHO (speaking as a woman) we cannot expect to be allowed into traditional "men's" groups and then also think it is OK to have women's only groups. Either separatism has a place, or it doesn't. And being in the minority does not make you any better judge of when it is OK and when it isn't.

I do believe this is my first post in this forum...I heard such interesting things about in the General forum! :)


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30 Dec 2014, 9:15 pm

Racism is much more than racial bigotry, prejudice, discrimination. Racism is about power and prejudice, and bigotry. There is no Black privilege. But try to convince most white people that there IS white privilege, and most won't believe it. The average white family has a bank balance twenty times that of the average Black family. That is the result of racism.

Here is an article that was on many people's ten best essays of 2014 list: The New Racism~
This is how the civil rights movement ends. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1190 ... se-alabama


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30 Dec 2014, 11:19 pm

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Racism is much more than racial bigotry, prejudice, discrimination. Racism is about power and prejudice, and bigotry. There is no Black privilege. But try to convince most white people that there IS white privilege, and most won't believe it. The average white family has a bank balance twenty times that of the average Black family. That is the result of racism.

Here is an article that was on many people's ten best essays of 2014 list: The New Racism~
This is how the civil rights movement ends. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1190 ... se-alabama


Nonsense, apart from the fact that privilege itself is a divisive racist term, the idea of "privilege" really loses all meaning because there infinite forms of in an infinite amount situations and environment. Like me personally, I grew up as a poor going to a majority black school so don't tell me I'm privileged and wasn't a victim of discrimination myself because you're wrong. The entire "white" experience isn't the same as yours and neither is the entire black experience, Peggy MacIntosh the lady who coined this white privilege term listed being being able to arrange to be in the company of the same as yourself #1 on her list white privileges and that's just her experience obviously and has zero relevance to my life. The entire essay is a joke, she's writing about her experience and only hers and most of it has way more to more to do class than it does race. Guess what, I'm not sure when I move that I can live in an area I can afford and want to live and neighbors that are neutral or pleasant to me. I could go thru the entire list but do I have to? When it comes down to it we are all individuals with own strengths, weaknesses, struggles, adversities, and prejudices. Painting all "white people" as some monolithic grouping is the same racist collectivist thinking that is inherent is racism towards blacks.

Racial hatred of any kind is racism, period. End of story.



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31 Dec 2014, 12:26 am

Jacoby wrote:
tall-p wrote:
Racism is much more than racial bigotry, prejudice, discrimination. Racism is about power and prejudice, and bigotry. There is no Black privilege. But try to convince most white people that there IS white privilege, and most won't believe it. The average white family has a bank balance twenty times that of the average Black family. That is the result of racism.

Here is an article that was on many people's ten best essays of 2014 list: The New Racism~
This is how the civil rights movement ends. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1190 ... se-alabama


Nonsense, apart from the fact that privilege itself is a divisive racist term, the idea of "privilege" really loses all meaning because there infinite forms of in an infinite amount situations and environment. Like me personally, I grew up as a poor going to a majority black school so don't tell me I'm privileged and wasn't a victim of discrimination myself because you're wrong. The entire "white" experience isn't the same as yours and neither is the entire black experience, Peggy MacIntosh the lady who coined this white privilege term listed being being able to arrange to be in the company of the same as yourself #1 on her list white privileges and that's just her experience obviously and has zero relevance to my life. The entire essay is a joke, she's writing about her experience and only hers and most of it has way more to more to do class than it does race. Guess what, I'm not sure when I move that I can live in an area I can afford and want to live and neighbors that are neutral or pleasant to me. I could go thru the entire list but do I have to? When it comes down to it we are all individuals with own strengths, weaknesses, struggles, adversities, and prejudices. Painting all "white people" as some monolithic grouping is the same racist collectivist thinking that is inherent is racism towards blacks.

Racial hatred of any kind is racism, period. End of story.
Well it's a good thing you know everything about what is racism and what isn't. Racial hatred equals racism... period... the end. Don't read that essay I posted.


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31 Dec 2014, 3:16 am

Whites have rightly or wrongly been saddled the most with charges of racism because white men have had the power for a much longer time to act out their racial hatred. Now, racism has been democratized, and anyone can do it. Aint it grand!?!?


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31 Dec 2014, 7:50 am

auntblabby wrote:
IMHO people who diss other people on account of their relative differences in skin tone, show a lack of imagination.

So true, it gives them a defense. I prefer Hairless Ground Ape, which is inclusive. Like/Dislike is my gut guideline for living. I do not have time to oppress all the disliked, or care. They seem to do it just fine by themselves.

I might be an aspie, because WP is as close to social as I get. I do what I do, and at the peak less than a dozen people are involved, including the checkout at the grocery. I only get involved with people of common intrests, who I find I can tolerate.

My world is based around what I do. Only those who extend that ability are welcome.

I studied under the Anthropoligist Kurt Vonnegut, who said people form clusters around something the universe wants done, the interaction is intense, and after the fact, the group splits up like they never were. Some things last longer, Kurt claimed he was not a writer, he knew a woman who took his scribbled stained work and turned it into well typed English.

People connect with a few others by function. Mick Jager sumed it up as, Performance.

On a day to day basis I exclude over seven billion hairless ground apes from my world, it is the only way I can get anything done.

This new Union of Excluded People say it is racist, sexist, homophobic, but I just see useless apes.

I deal with useless apes all the time, but there is another group that are less than useless, they are harmful. give them a chance and they will destroy what you have worked for. It is a form of Equality.

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31 Dec 2014, 8:07 am

Isn’t it obvious that anyone can be racist? Why waste a precious second of your life with questions like this? I really don’t get it.


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31 Dec 2014, 8:30 am

I live in the US and "white people" are mostly pink/tan color.

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31 Dec 2014, 8:55 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Whites have rightly or wrongly been saddled the most with charges of racism because white men have had the power for a much longer time to act out their racial hatred. Now, racism has been democratized, and anyone can do it. Aint it grand!?!?


Racism is not a synonym for "racial prejudice". It means racial prejudice plus power. So though the question poised in the original may succeed in its intent to sound ridiculous- it is in fact NOT ridiculous. The fact is -for practical purposes- for most of the last few centuries -in most of the world- YES only Whites can be (and were) racist-because only whites had power.

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Racism =/= prejudice

Strictly speaking:

Racism = prejudice + power.

Nonwhites were always free to be racially prejudiced. And often were racially prejudiced. But for the last five centuries Europe dominated the planet, and people of European descent dominated within countries over folks from other continents. So for most of post Columbus history, for practical purposes, YES- only whites WERE racist (except in rare local circumstances) because only Whites had the power to enforce their racial prejudice.

But as K said -nowadays nonwhite individuals, and nonwhite countries, are gaining power, and equality. So now EVERYONE can be racist! Whoopie! :roll: