Why is it fair to say Conservatives or Christians areBigots?

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03 Jan 2015, 11:44 am

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I'm neither a conservative nor a Christian myself. However, I'd say that it's all about the Narrative. No matter how disastrous the real-world effects of its policies, the Left likes to pretend that it holds the moral high ground. Therefore its enemies, whoever they may be, must be vile, evil, sordid, bigots, Nazis, motivated by hatred of minorities or of the poor.

Anyway it's easier to hang a nasty label on someone than to go to all the trouble of constructing a logical argument against his positions.


Are you claiming conservatives and Christians do not ever pretend to hold the moral high ground and always construct logical arguments?

P.S I am pretty sure there are left leaning christians.


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03 Jan 2015, 11:53 am

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Some Christian Conservatives are. Some Christians and Conservative are, but the are not a majority. They are just very vocal.


Then there are all the people that identify as conservatives and/or christians who would blindly follow these more vocal and extreme individuals or at least do nothing to actively oppose any of their bigotry...so unfortunately there is that bit.


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03 Jan 2015, 12:35 pm

All races, religions, political ideologies, etc. have bigoted elements.

I think there is a big obsession with whether someone or not is a bigot or not, almost like a witch hunt. And if somebody is accused of being one, they are ostracized and shunned as harshly (sometimes even worse) then pedophiles or violent criminals. And like pedophiles and violent criminals, even if the accusation is false, the accused has to live with the stigma forever.


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03 Jan 2015, 12:39 pm

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All races, religions, political ideologies, etc. have bigoted elements.

I think there is a big obsession with whether someone or not is a bigot or not, almost like a witch hunt. And if somebody is accused of being one, they are ostracized and shunned as harshly (sometimes even worse) then pedophiles or violent criminals. And like pedophiles and violent criminals, even if the accusation is false, the accused has to live with the stigma forever.


Pretty sure if someone is accused of being a bigot by some random person over the internet, or even on the street they are not going to get a criminal record with BIGOT stamped on it...if people they know end up perceiving them as a bigot due to their behavior then maybe they should perhaps try to understand why people think that if they don't think they are one, maybe its possible they are being one.


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03 Jan 2015, 12:55 pm

Yes it is fair to say religion can be another word for bigotry only they feel vindicated because it's from what they believe is a holy source when really, they are just people like you and I. Moses was not a god. Neither was Mohommed. They claim Jesus was a God but he didn't write one word.

All the others were definitely human. Since we all are, we are fully capable of our own experiences with God. The Bible can be a source of inspiration but at the end of the day, it is just a book written by humans. You can read it, agree with parts, disagree with others, just like any book.

In my opinion, you can only truly know God in your heart and I consider myself a Gnostic which means I am far more concerned with my own experience rather that a book about others experiences.



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03 Jan 2015, 1:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Are you claiming conservatives and Christians do not ever pretend to hold the moral high ground and always construct logical arguments?


Obfuscation. In the US the Left controls most of the media, entertainment, and academia, and they operate strictly according to a Narrative such as I describe. The fact that many of their opponents would like to substitute a Narrative of their own choosing is neither here nor there, and neither is their logic or its absence.

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P.S I am pretty sure there are left leaning christians.


Irrelevant. They are not portrayed as bigoted and hateful, but as enlightened, wise, probably the true followers of Christ.

If you want to start a new topic, in which you talk about the way conservatives and Christians describe their opponents, you know what to do.


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03 Jan 2015, 1:46 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Then there are all the people that identify as conservatives and/or christians who would blindly follow these more vocal and extreme individuals or at least do nothing to actively oppose any of their bigotry...so unfortunately there is that bit.


You say that as if it's unique to conservative Christians...


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03 Jan 2015, 2:48 pm

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If we substitute 'a few' for 'many' and 'terrorist sympathizer' for 'terrorist' I'm on board.

It's not necessarily fair to expect/have to perform constant disavowal, but public perceptions aren't often formed on particularly fair basis.


If you know the perception is unfair, why do you perpetuate it?


It's unfair to act as though all right-wing Christians are bigots.
It's not unfair to act as though many of them are, as many of them are. As long as this remains true, it's not unfair to be aware of it, to mention or discuss it, or to warn others of it.


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03 Jan 2015, 3:02 pm

luan78zao wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Are you claiming conservatives and Christians do not ever pretend to hold the moral high ground and always construct logical arguments?


Obfuscation. In the US the Left controls most of the media, entertainment, and academia, and they operate strictly according to a Narrative such as I describe. The fact that many of their opponents would like to substitute a Narrative of their own choosing is neither here nor there, and neither is their logic or its absence.

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P.S I am pretty sure there are left leaning christians.


Irrelevant. They are not portrayed as bigoted and hateful, but as enlightened, wise, probably the true followers of Christ.

If you want to start a new topic, in which you talk about the way conservatives and Christians describe their opponents, you know what to do.


In what way does the left control the media? From what I can tell there is plenty of right leaning media...then just lots and lots of cheap entertainment. Also perhaps left leaning christians tend to follow the teachings better and tend to be less extreme about it but instead of addressing their own behavior that gives people the impression they are bigoted and hateful, many right leaning people seem to enjoy pointing fingers at 'the left' in general you know 'liberals this, liberals that, liberals are at fault for all the problems in this country waaaa' not all of them but I sure do hear that sentiment a lot.

Also I am discussing the topic in this thread...I don't feel like starting a new thread to respond to this one, people want to know why people think christians and conservatives are largely bigots...I am posting my opinions on that if you don't like it you go start your own thread.


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03 Jan 2015, 3:06 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Then there are all the people that identify as conservatives and/or christians who would blindly follow these more vocal and extreme individuals or at least do nothing to actively oppose any of their bigotry...so unfortunately there is that bit.


You say that as if it's unique to conservative Christians...


You perceive it as if I said it that way...more like, I don't see where I implied anything like that.


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04 Jan 2015, 4:52 am

What I find ironic is when people call others bigots, I see the irony because bigot means intolerant to different opinions so calling them that is exactly what they are doing they are accusing the other person of. I think everyone has bigotry views because we all have our own bias opinions and won't always agree with others nor always like other peoples opinion. This is more common in religion and politics and anything that is a controversial topic.


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04 Jan 2015, 10:36 am

League_Girl, are you suggesting that bigots – especially those in a position of power – be tolerated? I'm perfectly willing to tolerate others' narrow-minded views as long as those views don't effect the lives of people around them.


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04 Jan 2015, 11:39 am

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What I find ironic is when people call others bigots, I see the irony because bigot means intolerant to different opinions so calling them that is exactly what they are doing they are accusing the other person of. I think everyone has bigotry views because we all have our own bias opinions and won't always agree with others nor always like other peoples opinion. This is more common in religion and politics and anything that is a controversial topic.



Also by intolerant I belive it means like hating people in a specific group, like if someone hates all people of a certian religion, or hates everyone of some sub-culture. bigotry is not the same as strongly disagreeing its more like active unjustified hate of anyone you disagree with or people of any specific group you don't agree with.

If someone is going on about how they hate gay people and they should burn in hell, then I'd call them a bigot...and do not think it makes one a bigot to disagree with hateful views and have a problem with the person expressing them.


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04 Jan 2015, 12:31 pm

It is often accurate. That is why they are called bigots.



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04 Jan 2015, 12:42 pm

It's fine to disagree with someone you think holds bigoted views. It's not fine to assume that someone is bigoted, and let that change how you treat them, just because they're a conservative or a Christian.



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04 Jan 2015, 1:21 pm

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It's fine to disagree with someone you think holds bigoted views. It's not fine to assume that someone is bigoted, and let that change how you treat them, just because they're a conservative or a Christian.


Well certainly do not just assume someone is bigoted, but some people clearly demonstrate that they are.


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