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02 Feb 2015, 11:35 pm

Just about every system has some redeeming value.
But all systems have some pitiful flaws.

I'm an anarchist, socialist, capitalist, conservative liberal who thinks all western gov'ts are into things they shouldn't be and not into things that they should be. I abhor the nanny state. I wish the state would intercede more. I wish the state would butt out more. We need strong advocacy and we also need moderates. And without all of these things, the state and the nation will seize up and stop functioning. The push-pull of all these forces is what causes or allows society to be dynamic and not static. Yay us!


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03 Feb 2015, 5:56 am

blunnet wrote:
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I am an anarchist, I do not believe others should tell others what to do or force others into doing things.

Do not kill, do not rob..... well, there are certain things that are quite necessary to tell others what not to do.


I think that comes under my point which you quoted. Do not force or tell others. Thus killing and stealing would come under that.

I believe humans are inherently social and altruistic though and it's only this messed up society that has forced us to be otherwise (because we can also adapt well to our environment (see epigenetics) ), thanks to people like Ayn Rand preaching rampant selfishness and individualism rather than community and caring for one another, if that happened why would we need to steal?



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03 Feb 2015, 1:24 pm

blunnet wrote:
Do not kill, do not rob..... well, there are certain things that are quite necessary to tell others what not to do.


An armed populace and the threat of exile/shunning is quite enough to take care of that. The laws imposed upon us by nature, and the condition of human existence in an uncaring, godless universe where we have nothing but each other to trust and rely upon, have a strange way of making people face the natural consequences of their actions.

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I think that comes under my point which you quoted. Do not force or tell others. Thus killing and stealing would come under that.

I believe humans are inherently social and altruistic though and it's only this messed up society that has forced us to be otherwise (because we can also adapt well to our environment (see epigenetics) ), thanks to people like Ayn Rand preaching rampant selfishness and individualism rather than community and caring for one another, if that happened why would we need to steal?


Somewhat ironically, I believe effectively the same thing, except from the premise that humans are inherently social and self-interested rather than altruistic. I also dislike Ayn Rand for her dogmatism and moralistic pandering.



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03 Feb 2015, 3:57 pm

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Why would my city decide to join yours and become a single political unit? Perhaps a loose commonwealth. But even then, we'd just leave if we didn't like it.

Typically, city-states have never voluntarily joined to become larger states, they've always been conquered.


This is a problem then. How does an anarchist community of 20-40k people defend itself against, say, the Soviet Union or Revolutionary France?

By allying itself with other city-states? By not existing next door to them? How does San Marino avoid being invaded? Why hasn't Australia conquered the South Pacific?

Saying that states will not allow an anarchist system to exist is a judgement on statism, not anarchism.



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22 Feb 2015, 12:51 am

drh1138 wrote:
An armed populace and the threat of exile/shunning is quite enough to take care of that. The laws imposed upon us by nature, and the condition of human existence in an uncaring, godless universe where we have nothing but each other to trust and rely upon, have a strange way of making people face the natural consequences of their actions.

I can't grasp law enforcement, criminal trials (pressumption of innocence among other things) in a governmentless system, heck! I even have problems grasping how that could work in a libertarian system.

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I think that comes under my point which you quoted. Do not force or tell others. Thus killing and stealing would come under that.

Rape, sexual harrasment, assault, etc. Those are things that come to mind, are likely to happen in a mob lynching system, wether is for punishment or because people in such society want to get rid of some laws or change some laws.

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I believe humans are inherently social and altruistic though and it's only this messed up society that has forced us to be otherwise (because we can also adapt well to our environment (see epigenetics) ), thanks to people like Ayn Rand preaching rampant selfishness and individualism rather than community and caring for one another, if that happened why would we need to steal?

Idealistic but not that much realistic, it sounds more like utopia.



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22 Feb 2015, 12:53 am

I'm an anarcho-cap or libertarian monarchist not sure if that counts, I think power belongs in the hands of the people who have earned it via their merit. classic anarchism is more socialist than I'd like to adopt.



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22 Feb 2015, 4:42 am

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Theres more forms of anarchism than there are flavours of ice cream.

Do you believe in anarchism with an emphasis on workers control of the means of production or anarchism with an emphasis on private property?


I pick column A. Anarcho-syndicalist of 25 years.



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22 Feb 2015, 5:46 am

What's the difference between anarchism, and a system of small city-states where secession is accepted as a norm, with each city being sovereign only within it's established borders?