Courts deny Medical Marijuana to dying woman.

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No matter what you or her think, marijuana doesn't "stop" people from dying.

There is an argument that can be made against legalizing drugs from a logically perspective. Additionally, all-out legalization even of marijuanna is not generally politically popular. Attempts at legalizing it have met with failure after an earlier success.

Its not popular because people fear it - they fear what they do not understand - its illegal because they fear it - people fear what they do not understand - its illegal because people fear it - etc...

Weed exists in such a high number now, legalizing it won't do much.

Now, you're probably thinking 'everyone will run to it if you legalize it' or 'use will go up.' This is true, but should only be true for the short term. Anything you have banned and prevented people from, then removed the ban from, you have a sharp spike in its use. This is obvious and NOT limited to marijuana, its limited to anything. Its the "chaos" before the "order." I think people need to get it out of their system. They just fear it, is all.

I don't think you can use "logic" and "law against legalization" in the same sentence. Making marijuana "illegal" (making the decision for people) is illogical to begin with. The removes freewill, removes choice, and ultimately makes us conform via force and not choice. Thats just my view.

stoned youth increasingly causing a ruckus on the streets.

no....nothing stops people from dying...we all die eventually. marijuana can make the quality of life better for some sick people and improving quality of life does make you live longer...that's a fact.

Well see? She doesn't NEED it to stay alive. It's not like cutting off oxygen.

Marijuana, like alcohol, causes brain damage. I think the mass regular usage of something (else) that causes brain damage would be bad for the population of the United States.

Marijuanna use will become more common should it become legalized.

Essentially the idea against legalizing marijuana goes something like this: Marijuanna is a bad mind altering drug. However, the other drugs that people would start jumping to if it was legalized are potentially even worse. We don't want this. So we will keep marijuanna illegal, but keep the fines much lighter for casual users then for sellers. This way we will prevent what is happening in the Netherlands with stoned youth increasingly causing a ruckus on the streets.

Marijuana, like alcohol, causes brain damage. I think the mass regular usage of something (else) that causes brain damage would be bad for the population of the United States.

This way we will prevent what is happening in the Netherlands with stoned youth increasingly causing a ruckus on the streets.

No matter what you or her think, marijuana doesn't "stop" people from dying.

This way we will prevent what is happening in the Netherlands with stoned youth increasingly causing a ruckus on the streets.

jimservo, isn't it time to get right sources for your information? In Holland we don't have such problems. In case there are problems, it's always near the coffeeshops and reaches the newspapers, showing it's rare news.

I know christian america wants you to believe otherwise. Some dutch christians even oppose coffeeshops, I think that's a true christian thing. However, like the american, a lot of dutch christians live right there, where no coffeeshops are, and they are, like you americans, prejudiced. The fact is, people in the city, so, living closer to coffeeshops and truly knowing what their impact is (ie not a big impact), are much more tolerant, and don't want to illegalize drugs.

And that's not only true for the non-christian citizens. Also chistians living in the cities are often pro-coffeeshops, even some christian mayors support coffeechops. They know what the coffeeshops mean, know their importance, know their dangers.

Don't let you be led by your christianity or your american sources, come travel to holland, have a joint in one of our nice coffeeshops and see we have no problems!

Hey Pug, out of curiousity, how many police cars appear outside these coffeeshops?

I only ask because back home, in London, Ontario, there were 600 bars. The most popular are located on the main street in the downtown area. If you would like to witness where half the police force spends their friday and saturday nights, its on this street picking up drunk ret*ds and tossing them into the back of wagons, cruisers, etc. Sometimes, even the full force squads were out (in riot gear).

When you smoke pot, I think it is very rare that your biggest interest, at the time, is pounding the s**t out of someone else and starting violent acts.

I dont have much experience with people smoking pot and get severely hyper and ret*d (doing stupid things to others) after getting "too high." In fact, I've known many people who will never "drink a lot" again, but very few will say "man, I smoked so much weed last night, never again." It just doesnt have that impact alcohol does.

I DO know people who get hyper but they just become severely annoying. Anyways, any aspie would want to punch out some overly excited person who won't shut up or stop dancing around you and causing eye 'sores' by craving attention. cough, personal experience... Either way, I've been really high and really drunk and all I can say is that drunk is far worse and its legal.

And on top of that, I last read about DUI's that Marijuana accounts for 10% of accidents where the driver is intoxicated. 90% of the "10%" had "alcohol" in their system, as well. I'll never be able to dig that up so take it for what it is, hear say

NEW YORK (Reuters) — Although both marijuana and tobacco smoke are packed with cancer-causing chemicals, other qualities of marijuana seem to keep it from promoting lung cancer, according to a new report.
The difference rests in the often opposing actions of the nicotine in tobacco and the active ingredient, THC, in marijuana, says Dr. Robert Melamede of the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs.

He reviewed the scientific evidence supporting this contention in a recent issue of Harm Reduction Journal.

Whereas nicotine has several effects that promote lung and other types of cancer, THC acts in ways that counter the cancer-causing chemicals in marijuana smoke, Melamede explained in an interview with Reuters Health.

"THC turns down the carcinogenic potential," he said.

For example, lab research indicates that nicotine activates a body enzyme that converts certain chemicals in both tobacco and marijuana smoke into cancer-promoting form. In contrast, studies in mice suggest that THC blocks this enzyme activity.

Another key difference, Melamede said, is in the immune system effects of tobacco and marijuana. Smoke sends irritants into the respiratory system that trigger an immune-regulated inflammatory response, which involves the generation of potentially cell-damaging substances called free radicals. These particles are believed to contribute to a range of diseases, including cancer.

But cannabinoids -- both those found in marijuana and the versions found naturally in the body -- have been shown to dial down this inflammatory response, Melamede explained.

Another difference between tobacco and marijuana smoking, he said, has to do with cells that line the respiratory tract. While these cells have receptors that act as docks for nicotine, similar receptors for THC and other cannabinoids have not been found.

Nicotine, Melamede said, appears to keep these cells from committing "suicide" when they are genetically damaged, by smoking, for instance. When such cells do not kill themselves off, they are free to progress into tumors.

THC, however, does not appear to act this way in the respiratory tract -- though, in the brain, where there are cannabinoid receptors, it may have the beneficial effect of protecting cells from death when they are damaged from an injury or stroke, according to Melamede.

All of this, he said, fits in with population studies that have failed to link marijuana smoking with a higher risk of lung cancer -- though there is evidence that pot users have more respiratory problems, such as chronic cough and frequent respiratory infections.

If marijuana does not promote lung cancer, that could factor into the ongoing debate over so-called medical marijuana. Melamede said he believes "marijuana has loads of medicinal value," for everything from multiple sclerosis, to the chronic pain of arthritis, to nausea caused by cancer treatment.

U.S. government officials, however, maintain that the evidence for medical marijuana is not there. Ten states allow people to use marijuana with a doctor's prescription, but the Supreme Court has ruled that federal law trumps state law.